No. In the OP of that Thread, NOIQ refers very specifically to Annie. The Thread stays.Jovial Monk wrote:That Petition is about Annie/Monk. Stop fucking around FFS!
Constitutional reform
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It's such a fine line between stupid and clever. Random guest posting.
It's such a fine line between stupid and clever. Random guest posting.
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Aussie
Re: Constitutional reform
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Jovial Monk
Re: Constitutional reform
Yeah, he lies about Annie sharing her account. You are a false friend to Annie.
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Aussie
Re: Constitutional reform
Lies.....yes, in my opinion, they are. But....I do not have the right to nuke Constitutional Petition Threads just because I believe it is based on lies. Gosh, just look at your Petition to oust me as Admin. It is based on 100% bullshit from you.....but the Constitution prevents me acting to nuke it, so I will not, just like I will not on the "Annie" Petition.Jovial Monk wrote:Yeah, he lies about Annie sharing her account. You are a false friend to Annie.
Annie knows she has my 100% support and loyalty.
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Jovial Monk
Re: Constitutional reform
Not a single person here believes IQ’s Petition is about Annie. That includes you, Aussie.
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Aussie
Re: Constitutional reform
It cannot be about anyone else. Annie is a Mod............so it is very clear the Petition is about my appointment of her, and even Annie agrees. So....STFU, Monk.Jovial Monk wrote:Not a single person here believes IQ’s Petition is about Annie. That includes you, Aussie.
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freediver
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Re: Constitutional reform
How's this?
This is the constitution of the Democratic Dictatorship of Political Animal. If there is any ambiguity or confusion in it's interpretation, or omissions, the follow two principles apply.
1) This constitution is designed and intended to limit the power of exalted leader. The rational interpretation that places the greatest restriction on exalted leader's authority, and the greatest power in the hands of members, shall prevail.
2) If there is a precedent, use it.
There will be fresh elections for the position of exalted leader at least every twelve months. An early election or a referendum can be called at any time on the whim of exalted leader, or via petition.
Petitions
A petition can be used to trigger an election for the position of exalted leader or to trigger a referendum. A petition will be deemed successful if the number of signatories meets or exceeds the magic number. The magic number is calculated as follows: take the number of valid votes from the last election, divide by two, round up if necessary (by adding 0.5), then subtract the number of people who submitted a valid vote in that election who are currently unable to sign due to the actions of the admin (eg if they are banned or suspended). The signature of a banned member is not counted if the magic number has already been reduced on their account. All petitions remain active until they succeed or the current exalted leader is replaced with someone else. Once a referendum or election is triggered by a petition, it cannot be 'untriggered'.
Relevant petitions may not be deleted by admin. To be relevant, a petition must either call for an election, a referendum (alteration to the constitution) or an enforceable change to the administration/moderation of the forum. In addition, the opening post of the petition thread must be limited to explaining the proposal. It may not contain any promotion of the proposal or personal criticism of other members, admin or moderators. Responses to the petition are limited to a single post with a single word indicating support for the proposal, otherwise the post may be deleted or edited by admin. Opposition to the petition may not be expressed on the petition.
Referenda
A referendum can be used to alter the constitution or overrule a decision of exalted leader, for example to reinstate a banned member. A referendum that obtains over 50% approval will be deemed a bloody good idea and will be passed. Anything less and the proposal will be deemed indecent. A referendum can be triggered by petition or by exalted leader.
Voting
All voting and petition signatures must be made public - no secret ballots. One vote per person. All voting will be based on mixed runoff and instant runoff elections. Voters may rank candidates, in which case preference distribution will be instantaneous at the close of polls. If this proves insufficient to reach a decision without disenfranchising any voters, one additional runoff round will be held. Only those members who voted for excluded candidates and did not allocate sufficient preferences need recast their vote in a runoff round. The option to change votes will be extended to all who have already voted, but only for the reduced candidate pool. A referendum may have more than two options, providing they are clearly defined.
A vote, election or referendum thread should be pinned and should contain the word 'VOTE', 'ELECTION' or 'REFERENDUM' in capitals in the thread title. Voting should be open for at least seven days. In addition, the opening post of the thread must be limited to explaining the proposal. It may not contain any promotion of the proposal or personal criticism of other members, admin or moderators. Admin may edit the opening post to enforce this. Votes are limited to a single post with a single word indicating support for or opposition to the proposal, otherwise the post may be edited by admin. Multiple posts may be deleted, provided the vote remains.
Elections
All candidate nominations must be made on the forum by an enfranchised member. However, if a candidate is unable to accept on the forum, they may accept externally, provided it can be verified.
Role of exalted leader
Exalted leader has authority over forum policy and the day to day administration of the forum. This includes:
* appointing moderators
* deleting, editing and banning
* forum settings and forum layout, within the limitations imposed by the forum software
Exalted leader is servant of members, not master. Exalted leader has special constitutional powers to call an election or referendum at any time, without requiring a petition. Where a provision of the constitution undermines the authority of exalted leader, exalted leader is obliged to support the provision. This obligation comes without authority over the constitution or it's interpretation. That is, exalted leader is to serve the people via the constitution, but does not have final say on any constitutional matter. Exalted leader must facilitate the expression of the will of the members through constitutional processes by:
* helping members to use the constitution
* counting votes and signatures
* suggesting the outcome of an election or referendum
* suggesting the magic number
Rules
Personal information about other forum users must not be posted without their consent, which can be withdrawn at any time. This includes anything related to their true identity, for example a first name or nickname, ISP, IP number, location etc
This is the constitution of the Democratic Dictatorship of Political Animal. If there is any ambiguity or confusion in it's interpretation, or omissions, the follow two principles apply.
1) This constitution is designed and intended to limit the power of exalted leader. The rational interpretation that places the greatest restriction on exalted leader's authority, and the greatest power in the hands of members, shall prevail.
2) If there is a precedent, use it.
There will be fresh elections for the position of exalted leader at least every twelve months. An early election or a referendum can be called at any time on the whim of exalted leader, or via petition.
Petitions
A petition can be used to trigger an election for the position of exalted leader or to trigger a referendum. A petition will be deemed successful if the number of signatories meets or exceeds the magic number. The magic number is calculated as follows: take the number of valid votes from the last election, divide by two, round up if necessary (by adding 0.5), then subtract the number of people who submitted a valid vote in that election who are currently unable to sign due to the actions of the admin (eg if they are banned or suspended). The signature of a banned member is not counted if the magic number has already been reduced on their account. All petitions remain active until they succeed or the current exalted leader is replaced with someone else. Once a referendum or election is triggered by a petition, it cannot be 'untriggered'.
Relevant petitions may not be deleted by admin. To be relevant, a petition must either call for an election, a referendum (alteration to the constitution) or an enforceable change to the administration/moderation of the forum. In addition, the opening post of the petition thread must be limited to explaining the proposal. It may not contain any promotion of the proposal or personal criticism of other members, admin or moderators. Responses to the petition are limited to a single post with a single word indicating support for the proposal, otherwise the post may be deleted or edited by admin. Opposition to the petition may not be expressed on the petition.
Referenda
A referendum can be used to alter the constitution or overrule a decision of exalted leader, for example to reinstate a banned member. A referendum that obtains over 50% approval will be deemed a bloody good idea and will be passed. Anything less and the proposal will be deemed indecent. A referendum can be triggered by petition or by exalted leader.
Voting
All voting and petition signatures must be made public - no secret ballots. One vote per person. All voting will be based on mixed runoff and instant runoff elections. Voters may rank candidates, in which case preference distribution will be instantaneous at the close of polls. If this proves insufficient to reach a decision without disenfranchising any voters, one additional runoff round will be held. Only those members who voted for excluded candidates and did not allocate sufficient preferences need recast their vote in a runoff round. The option to change votes will be extended to all who have already voted, but only for the reduced candidate pool. A referendum may have more than two options, providing they are clearly defined.
A vote, election or referendum thread should be pinned and should contain the word 'VOTE', 'ELECTION' or 'REFERENDUM' in capitals in the thread title. Voting should be open for at least seven days. In addition, the opening post of the thread must be limited to explaining the proposal. It may not contain any promotion of the proposal or personal criticism of other members, admin or moderators. Admin may edit the opening post to enforce this. Votes are limited to a single post with a single word indicating support for or opposition to the proposal, otherwise the post may be edited by admin. Multiple posts may be deleted, provided the vote remains.
Elections
All candidate nominations must be made on the forum by an enfranchised member. However, if a candidate is unable to accept on the forum, they may accept externally, provided it can be verified.
Role of exalted leader
Exalted leader has authority over forum policy and the day to day administration of the forum. This includes:
* appointing moderators
* deleting, editing and banning
* forum settings and forum layout, within the limitations imposed by the forum software
Exalted leader is servant of members, not master. Exalted leader has special constitutional powers to call an election or referendum at any time, without requiring a petition. Where a provision of the constitution undermines the authority of exalted leader, exalted leader is obliged to support the provision. This obligation comes without authority over the constitution or it's interpretation. That is, exalted leader is to serve the people via the constitution, but does not have final say on any constitutional matter. Exalted leader must facilitate the expression of the will of the members through constitutional processes by:
* helping members to use the constitution
* counting votes and signatures
* suggesting the outcome of an election or referendum
* suggesting the magic number
Rules
Personal information about other forum users must not be posted without their consent, which can be withdrawn at any time. This includes anything related to their true identity, for example a first name or nickname, ISP, IP number, location etc
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Jovial Monk
Re: Constitutional reform
It is a bit more detailed so I like it and suggest everyone else does. I can see more that should be included but don’t have the time to write a set of suggestions up.
A Charter of Moderation is missing, governing behavior by both Admin/mod and members—call it Posting Guidelines if you like.
A Charter of Moderation is missing, governing behavior by both Admin/mod and members—call it Posting Guidelines if you like.
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freediver
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Re: Constitutional reform
If there is something you think should be added that most people will support now is the time to do it. We don't bother making changes very often so this could be your last chance for a long time.
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Jovial Monk
Re: Constitutional reform
Could admin be responsible for posting a set of Posting Guidelines within a month of taking office and that these become binding on Admin, mods and members? I think that would be good.
What is acceptable or not, mod action to be taken etc. Mods act on Admin policy—so write it down and publish it. Sorry, can’t be more detailed now.
What is acceptable or not, mod action to be taken etc. Mods act on Admin policy—so write it down and publish it. Sorry, can’t be more detailed now.
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