State Sanctioned Wage Slavery

[brian ross]

What makes you think that the people who now come from Europe, the USA, and Britain are automatically white anymore, Brian? You must be a racist if you don't recognise these countries "diversity." Oh, that's right, you are a racist. You hate white people.

Brian didn't say anything about white people. Only you did, with your silly assumption!

Silly assumption? Sorry but Brian most certainly did ...

Errr, you do realise that this is about those people who to travel to Australia on Tourist/Working Visas, don't you, Bogan? Not all that many Asians/Indians/Polynesians/South Americans/Africans can afford to travel downunder on a holiday. This concerns primarily White, European people from Europe, North America, the British Isles, etc. Does anybody deserve to be taxed heavily and underpaid for their labour?

If you read what I did say, I made no absolutist statements on the basis of "race", Black Orchid. Get back to us when you figure out what I did say, OK?

[Black Orchid]

Don't shoot the messenger, Brian. I was just pointing out that you did, in fact, mention white people.

[Bogan]

"White"people do not exist, Briney. Remember "there is only one race, the human race." By identifying people as belonging to races and ethnicities, you are contradicting your own defining declaration.

Either races of people exist or they do not, Briney. You can't have it both ways.

[brian ross]

Oh, dearie. dearie, me. Bogan, like most Racists still doesn't understand what I have been saying all along about how the concept of "race" is a social construct. Genetically, there is no difference between a European or an Asian or an African or an Indigenous Australian or a Native American, etc. They all share the same Genetic pool. It is what allows them to interbreed. They are all members of the same species - Homo Sapien Sapiens - they are all part of the one race that exists the human one.

Racists insist that the colour of a person's skin, the shape of their eyes, how kinky their hair is, etc. makes them different to other people. It does, in a superficial way because deep down, they all have the same genetics (more or less). It is what allows them to interbreed. They are not separate subspecies, they are all just humans. It doesn't determine how intelligent they are, how resistant to disease they are, etc.

"Race" as Racists use the concept, use it to create a hierarchy of "races", which does not exist in Genetics. They use it to justify their oppression of people, their hatred of people, simply because they have different coloured skin/shaped eyes/etc. It is all just bullshit.

[Bogan]

Briney blathered

Oh, dearie. dearie, me. Bogan, like most Racists still doesn't understand what I have been saying all along about how the concept of "race" is a social construct.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Briney. Having a white hating racist call me a "racist" is really funny. And every classification or generalisation created by the human race to communicate abstract concepts is a "social construct", but that does not in any way negate it's validity as a concept in human communications. The fact that you, yourself use the terminology of race in your laughable claim to be anti racist proves the point. I just wish some doe eyed young lefty was reading this right now. Your logic is so convoluted that even your lefty mates would be embarrassed at what you say.

Briney wrote

Genetically, there is no difference between a European or an Asian or an African or an Indigenous Australian or a Native American, etc. They all share the same Genetic pool. It is what allows them to interbreed.

What an idiotic thing to say. How can you say such nonsense? Even a dumb Extinction Rebellion moron with Year 9 level genetics could see the fallacy in that logic. If there was no difference in genetics between Europeans, Asians, or Africans, then they could not be identifiably different, could they? You are using the logic of a Creationist with that stupid rubbish Brian. But please keep it up. If there are any smart young lefties around, I want them to see with their own eyes how stupid the logic of their star leaders are. No wonder you kicked me off your lefty "debate" site before I could deprogram your budding young lefties.

Briney wrote

They are all members of the same species - Homo Sapien Sapiens - they are all part of the one race that exists the human one.

Kodiak bears and Grizzly bears are members of the 14 member Brown Bear species. But they are an identifiably different to other brown bears and they behave differently. Even an Extinction Rebellion moron can understand that. What applies to other mammals applies to human mammals. Please keep this up because you are on a loser with this one. Your "logic" equates to a Creationist announcing that the universe was created in six days because it says so in the Bible. This is fun, Briney. I love making a fool of lefties. Although I must admit, it is not very hard.

Briney wrote

Racists insist that the colour of a person's skin, the shape of their eyes, how kinky their hair is, etc. makes them different to other people. It does, in a superficial way because deep down, they all have the same genetics (more or less). It is what allows them to interbreed. They are not separate subspecies, they are all just humans. It doesn't determine how intelligent they are, how resistant to disease they are, etc.

Well, to begin with, you are a white hating racist yourself calling the pot black. Would you like for me to post up your racist sayings about white people again? Stop the act, Brian. It is getting a bit old. Just admit you hate white people and argue from that position. But I suppose the false pose is important to you to hide your true intentions, just in case any doe eyed young lefty stumbles upon your posts.

Next. The fact that races are different, and different races and ethnicities have different levels of intelligence, personality, physical abilities is easy to prove to any person with an open mind. On the other hand, your so called "anti racist" position, that all races possess identical intelligence, personalities and physical characteristics, you can not only not prove to anybody, you can not even give a good argument as to why you think that way. "All races are equal" not a provable position, it is an ideological position which is not only unable to be verified, it is at odds with observable reality.

Briney wrote

"Race" as Racists use the concept, use it to create a hierarchy of "races", which does not exist in Genetics. They use it to justify their oppression of people, their hatred of people, simply because they have different coloured skin/shaped eyes/etc. It is all just bullshit.

You are a racist yourself, remember? A wolf in sheep's clothing who hates white people, and always goes into bat for anybody who is not white. Drop the pretence, Brian.

I am a racist just like you are. And I do not espouse an "hierarchy" of races. I just let the facts fall where they fall. It is what it is. 'Let the truth be told, though the heavens may fall". Generally speaking, white people are much smarter than black Africans. Asians are slightly smarter than whites, although their Asian "rote only" education systems do not seem capable of creating really smart and creative people. African blacks and most black races excel at sports involving running, or most other forms of physical activity, but they can't swim for nuts and do not even bother entering Olympic level swimming events. Blacks are almost completely unrepresented in the scientific community, unless the practice of "affirmative action" is taken into account. Apparently, even the "SAT score only" universities in the USA credit African blacks with higher scores, so that the glaring IQ difference between blacks and other races is not so noticeable. Asians are under represented in most physical sports, especially now that drug testing is becoming so advanced.

Generally speaking, bringing most black races into advanced western societies will simply result in very high rates of welfare dependency and very high rates of serious criminal behaviour. That fact has been proven, over and over and over again. How you can deny observable reality is beyond me. How you can claim to be an "anti racist" and then blame all of the shortcomings of black people on white people is beyond me also. Although, how a Creationist can say that the universe was created in six days is beyond me, as well. I guess it is just the way you Absolutist Personality types think.

[Nom De Plume]

Working in Australia for $3 an hour — life on the working holiday visa

There's a subclass of workers in Australia being paid as little as $3 an hour, but there's nothing strictly illegal about their situation.
Every year about 150,000 people enter Australia on the working holiday visa. If they want to stay a second year, they have to do 88 days of work in regional parts of the country.

Winnie Phillips is living back in Sydney now, but a month ago, she was on a strawberry farm near Caboolture in Queensland.

She is visiting from London and has just been granted her second-year visa, after spending three months picking and packing fruit.
Ms Phillips had heard the work could be dangerous and difficult before she began, so she did her research.
"I was reading reviews online, places not to go," she said.
Trawling Facebook groups set up for employers and travellers to connect, she saw enough horror stories to worry her.
"I was thinking to myself, 'do I really want to do this?'," she said.

Going bush

With no other option if she wanted to stay in Australia, Ms Phillips packed her things and moved from Sydney to Queensland.
The first surprise was the low pay. Like most farmworkers, Winnie was paid a "piece rate", meaning pay is calculated according to the volume of produce that's picked or packed, rather than the hours worked.

"The advert said $400-500 a week, [but] you'd have to pack 2,000 strawberries a day to achieve that," she said.
Her actual pay was often so low it failed to cover her rent of $160 a week.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... spartandhp

[Bogan]

What is the purpose of this topic, NDP? If you are trying to portray Australian society as intrinsically bad, then why is everybody on planet Earth trying to barge their way into it? Could you please tell all of those 'asylum seekers" what a rotten place Australia is, so that they will stay in their own countries instead of invading mine?

Before social security, poor working people worked in low paid jobs like fruit picking . But the spread of with social welfare payments, poor working class people soon figured out that they could earn more money sitting at home watching satellite TV instead of working. That gave an opportunity for poor people from very poor countries to come to wealthy countries and do low paying jobs that the indigenous poor workers would no longer do. But this set off a chain reaction when the imported workers figured out that they could sit on their arses too, and get paid by the government to do nothing.

This was Okay for a while, but in 1965 there were 22 taxpayers for every one person on welfare; now in multicultural Australia, the number is 5. Extrapolate forward and our welfare system is unsustainable.

[Nom De Plume]

What is the purpose of this topic, NDP? If you are trying to portray Australian society as intrinsically bad, then why is everybody on planet Earth trying to barge their way into it? Could you please tell all of those 'asylum seekers" what a rotten place Australia is, so that they will stay in their own countries instead of invading mine?

Before social security, poor working people worked in low paid jobs like fruit picking . But the spread of with social welfare payments, poor working class people soon figured out that they could earn more money sitting at home watching satellite TV instead of working. That gave an opportunity for poor people from very poor countries to come to wealthy countries and do low paying jobs that the indigenous poor workers would no longer do. But this set off a chain reaction when the imported workers figured out that they could sit on their arses too, and get paid by the government to do nothing.

This was Okay for a while, but in 1965 there were 22 taxpayers for every one person on welfare; now in multicultural Australia, the number is 5. Extrapolate forward and our welfare system is unsustainable.

Good grief man! Get a grip of yourself!

This is about the Govt. allowing farmers to take advantage of tourist!

[Bogan]

Are the farmers forcing tourists to work at gunpoint?

[Nom De Plume]

Are the farmers forcing tourists to work at gunpoint?

You are being perfectly irrelevant.