The 'Perfect' Woman

[Sexy Lady]

Are you saying in reality the perfect woman is the "average" woman?

1/Are you saying that the average woman is 'happy go lucky' Rorschach? I'd disagree with you on that... the average woman is a bit of a stress head, worrying the little things too much and too often.

I'd have thought they were not the same thing.

2/If we are talking about the perfect woman for the perfect man, then certainly the boundaries I would form would change significantly. But, I don't think that is what is being explored here... I think we are considering the perfect woman for the average man.

1/ No, I thought you were. I'm guessing if you wanted to know for sure there would have to be a huge census taken.

2/ I don't think there is a perfect woman or a perfect man... too many variables and of course perfection like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I didn't think we were discussing anything about perfection in a man.

But your original description does tick some boxes for me.

Look, you are right, there is no such thing as perfection. It does not exist. Therefore, when the word is used, it needs context in order for there to be a meaning.

The context in which the original article places the 'perfect woman' is in relation to what the 'average' man would appreciate.

The average man is not super tall and prefers their women to be shorter... therefore the perfect woman for most men would be about 5'5"

The average man does not like to be nagged and dragged into domesticity... therefore the perfect woman for most men is the happy go lucky type.

The average man is over weight and inclined to mild jealousy... therefore the perfect woman for most men is overweight. (Not obese... just overweight... maybe one size up from their ideal)

As to looks? Invariably, all men like a face that is healthy, smiling and with good symmetry.

[AiA in Atlanta]

Look, you are right, there is no such thing as perfection. It does not exist. Therefore, when the word is used, it needs context in order for there to be a meaning.

The context in which the original article places the 'perfect woman' is in relation to what the 'average' man would appreciate.

The average man is not super tall and prefers their women to be shorter... therefore the perfect woman for most men would be about 5'5"

The average man does not like to be nagged and dragged into domesticity... therefore the perfect woman for most men is the happy go lucky type.

The average man is over weight and inclined to mild jealousy... therefore the perfect woman for most men is overweight. (Not obese... just overweight... maybe one size up from their ideal)

As to looks? Invariably, all men like a face that is healthy, smiling and with good symmetry.

Would you agree that an above average man (as you defined him) is better off paired with an above average woman?

[Sexy Lady]

Would you agree that an above average man (as you defined him) is better off paired with an above average woman?

Good question. And to be honest I'm unsure of the answer... too many variables at that level.

In general however, and I should emphasis 'IN GENERAL', women tend to want for someone who surpasses her own abilities... and men, in kind, quite like a woman who they feel can look up to them.

Therefore a man above average will quite happily pair up with an average woman.

These inclinations also account, in part, for the increase in unmarried women, who because of career and educational opportunities now count themselves amongst the 'above average' and in so doing reduce the pool of available men they would consider mate worthy.

[mantra]

Would you agree that an above average man (as you defined him) is better off paired with an above average woman?

Good question. And to be honest I'm unsure of the answer... too many variables at that level.

In general however, and I should emphasis 'IN GENERAL', women tend to want for someone who surpasses her own abilities... and men, in kind, quite like a woman who they feel can look up to them.

Therefore a man above average will quite happily pair up with an average woman.

I disagree. The modern woman wants a man who has equal ability or perhaps less if he has other endearing qualities. Why would an intelligent woman need a man who is smarter than her?

These inclinations also account, in part, for the increase in unmarried women, who because of career and educational opportunities now count themselves amongst the 'above average' and in so doing reduce the pool of available men they would consider mate worthy.

Women are marrying below their status for the simple reason that they need to breed. House husbands are in vogue and it suits the career woman and the male who has few aspirations.

Unless a male is dumb, most males don't want a relationship with a stupid woman.

This is only generalising of course and what women want. Men would probably want a woman who loved them passionately and unconditionally before any other qualities were considered.

[ted]

Why would an intelligent woman need a man who is smarter than her?

What a load of bollocks.
Firstly, there is no such thing as an intelligent woman.
Secondly, men are smarter than women.

[Sexy Lady]

Would you agree that an above average man (as you defined him) is better off paired with an above average woman?

Good question. And to be honest I'm unsure of the answer... too many variables at that level.

In general however, and I should emphasis 'IN GENERAL', women tend to want for someone who surpasses her own abilities... and men, in kind, quite like a woman who they feel can look up to them.

Therefore a man above average will quite happily pair up with an average woman.

I disagree. The modern woman wants a man who has equal ability or perhaps less if he has other endearing qualities. Why would an intelligent woman need a man who is smarter than her?

First up, we weren't talking about 'modern women' what ever that means, we were discussing 'above average' men and women. So I'm not so sure that we are arguing the same thing or that your criticism is valid since it include terminology that was not within the opinion expressed by me or AiA.

So what is a 'modern woman' Mantra and why is she not seeking the best dna she can score for her offspring? Does not the 'modern woman' want the best she can give for her offspring?

These inclinations also account, in part, for the increase in unmarried women, who because of career and educational opportunities now count themselves amongst the 'above average' and in so doing reduce the pool of available men they would consider mate worthy.

Women are marrying below their status for the simple reason that they need to breed. House husbands are in vogue and it suits the career woman and the male who has few aspirations.

Again, my reference was to 'above average' women and not 'women' which refers to 'women generally'. So I'm not so sure that this applies.

Career women however can use sperm donors. I have two friends who have gone down that path... one, a lesbian couple, and the other a single career woman.

Unless a male is dumb, most males don't want a relationship with a stupid woman.

Again, there has been no reference in this thread to the social complexities entailed with dumb and stupid people. This thread is primary concerned with 'perfection' and 'above average' people.

This is only generalising of course and what women want. Men would probably want a woman who loved them passionately and unconditionally before any other qualities were considered.

Perhaps... but then again, without some qualities which the man would find endearing all that love and passion would amount to nothing more than stalking event having first taken advantage of her.

[mantra]

First up, we weren't talking about 'modern women' what ever that means, we were discussing 'above average' men and women. So I'm not so sure that we are arguing the same thing or that your criticism is valid since it include terminology that was not within the opinion expressed by me or AiA.

So what is a 'modern woman' Mantra and why is she not seeking the best dna she can score for her offspring? Does not the 'modern woman' want the best she can give for her offspring?

Yes - I have strayed away a little from your terminology - because I'm using my own. I assumed you were referring to women today - not from a century ago and that's what I meant by modern women.

Today I don't think women consider whether their partner will give their children the best dna, otherwise we wouldn't have so many dysfunctional kids around. Working for Centrelink you must see plenty of fatherless families.

Women are marrying below their status for the simple reason that they need to breed. House husbands are in vogue and it suits the career woman and the male who has few aspirations.

Again, my reference was to 'above average' women and not 'women' which refers to 'women generally'. So I'm not so sure that this applies.

Career women however can use sperm donors. I have two friends who have gone down that path... one, a lesbian couple, and the other a single career woman.

I would think the average woman prefers not to use an anonymous sperm donor.

Unless a male is dumb, most males don't want a relationship with a stupid woman.

Again, there has been no reference in this thread to the social complexities entailed with dumb and stupid people. This thread is primary concerned with 'perfection' and 'above average' people.

Maybe I should call you Roach 2?

This is only generalising of course and what women want. Men would probably want a woman who loved them passionately and unconditionally before any other qualities were considered.

Perhaps... but then again, without some qualities which the man would find endearing all that love and passion would amount to nothing more than stalking event having first taken advantage of her.

Not necessarily. Passion would be high on a male's list of feminine perfection.

[Sexy Lady]

So what is a 'modern woman' Mantra and why is she not seeking the best dna she can score for her offspring? Does not the 'modern woman' want the best she can give for her offspring?

Yes - I have strayed away a little from your terminology - because I'm using my own. I assumed you were referring to women today - not from a century ago and that's what I meant by modern women.

So by 'modern' women you really mean women who exist now and nothing more than that. It is a reference to a point in time alone... and nothing more than that.

Most people when using the term 'modern women' mean more than what you do by the term, which is why I asked.

Today I don't think women consider whether their partner will give their children the best dna, otherwise we wouldn't have so many dysfunctional kids around.

Interesting, why do you link DNA with dysfunctional children?

I would think the average woman prefers not to use an anonymous sperm donor.

I would think that most women prefer not to use anonymous sperm, but, needs must when the devil drives. Therefore, many an average woman has used anonymous sperm if it is that their life partner cannot produce it themselves.

Maybe I should call you Roach 2?

Why are you introducing insults into a discussion that was up until this point civil?

...but then again, without some qualities which the man would find endearing all that love and passion would amount to nothing...

Not necessarily. Passion would be high on a male's list of feminine perfection.

By necessity, passion is not enough and it is an insult to menfolk to suggest that otherwise in all seriousness. Also, you introduced that idea without actually providing reasons for same.

[Rorschach]

Maybe I should call you Roach 2?

Still flaming me even when I'm not around eh mantra?
Hypocritical bitch.

If I was to have commented I'd have said you made some sensible points.

[mantra]

Maybe I should call you Roach 2?

Why are you introducing insults into a discussion that was up until this point civil?

It wasn't meant to be an insult, but a benign nudge. You suggested twice in your post that I was off topic because I didn't stay within your terms of reference. That's fine, but Rorschach does the same ad nauseum. I don't call Rorschach Roach publicly, although you do. I assumed you were using that nick amiably - and so was I. My error.