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Carbon tax increases

Post by mantra » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:13 am

The effects of the tax are now kicking in. The predictions of the opposition appear to be coming true. Using just a couple of industries as an example this will mean more dumping of rubbish in bushland and it's obvious it will be cheaper to import all our food. We need to start our vegetable plots.

Our farmers and small industry will not be able to maintain a viable living. Times are going to get very tough. We will need to stop buying new products and recycle everything. Not a harship for those who are used to it - but certainly for those who aren't.

For years I dug up huge lumps of asbestos and bottles in my garden that the previous owners had buried. Obviously the facilities for recycling and land fill weren't available decades ago. We've made such inroads into disposing of toxins - now we're going to regress to the 40's.
In one of the biggest increases since July 1, the cost of hiring mini skip bins has risen by at least $100, or 25 per cent, due to the green levy and a new state government waste charge.

The controversial federal tax, changes to the diesel fuel rebate and a big spike in refrigerant gas costs - all part of the government's clean energy reforms - have also driven up prices of vegetables, seafood and even pizza boxes.

Skip bin operators have warned that some home owners have already opted to illegally dump their waste to escape the hefty price rises.

Sydney Skip Bins owner Craig Wills said customers were furious when told of the increases and he had already had to lay off two workers.

"This is utterly disastrous," Mr Wills, an environmental scientist, said.

"On some of our bins it is now costing us more to dispose of the rubbish than we are getting back. I'm trying to do the right thing and I'm getting punished for it. And so are families."

Larger bins, holding five cubic metres, have risen from $530 to hire to as much as $730.

In a double whammy for home renovators, the state government has lifted its waste levy from $13 a tonne at landfill sites to an average of $96 a tonne. Other industries are also hurting.

Kerry Demos, who runs the Hastings Pizza shop in Victoria with her husband, said the prices of pizza boxes will rise by 2.5 per cent.

Despite this, they plan to absorb the increases rather than pass them on.

"If we put up our prices, I would think we would lose customers," Ms Demos said.

John Brent, chairman of lobby group AUSVEG, said vegetable and potato growers will face difficulties absorbing the impact of the carbon tax.

"This is just sheer fallacy when I hear the (government) saying that these costs filter down the system," he said.

"What Coles and Woolworths have said is, 'we will not be passing on the increase' which puts pressure on growers and they have nowhere to go."

He believes the impact of the carbon tax will make it "more attractive" for produce to be imported from Southeast Asia.

A spokesman for Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said the impact of refrigerant gas increases on households would be "minimal".

Industry experts believe price hikes - between 300 to 400 per cent - will be crippling.

The minister addressed the issue of waste disposal directly.

"If people are presenting this rise as all carbon related they would need to be very careful," he said.

"There are a range of factors behind the cost increase for disposal of waste including state government levies.

"The NSW government should not try to mislead NSW residents into thinking that the carbon price is behind their own decision to raise the waste levy."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/d ... 6426663448" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:47 am

The DT lied! How unusual!
From http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/d ... 6426663448" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Sydney Skip Bins website this afternoon quotes prices for five cubic metre bins:

5 MTR3
$549 GENERAL
MIXED WASTE

$579 BUILDERS
MIXED WASTE LIGHT

$654 BUILDERS
MIXED WASTE
HEAVY

$499 CONCRETE
& BRICKS
RECYCLE

$499 CLEAN
SOIL
RECYCLE

http://sydneyskipbins.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Carbon Price really not as bad as DT/2GB etc paint it. Only idiots like Mantra get sucked in tho, or should, not like DT/2GB have any reputation at all for accuracy!

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by mantra » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:10 am

The carbon tax will affect me minimally, although if I want any heavy work done - it will cost a lot more. The price of skip bins will have to go up at least 25% because of the increase in tip fees - so it means those operators who want to stay in business will have to work a lot harder, expect less profit and downsize their staff. That is reality. Perhaps it will pay off in regard to less landfill in 20-30 years, but there are too many people who won't adapt to these new rules and dump their rubbish anywhere that's convenient.

On a positive note I hope it does encourage a lot more recycling and the use of green energy so the tax isn't imposed in vain. Those who use the council pick up service could minimise waste by stacking everything neatly so passers by can see and access discarded building material and furniture more easily.

As far as Alan Jones goes - the only time I bother listening to him is when he's organising a rally to fight off the coal and gas exploration companies who are monopolising people's lives and livelihoods.

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:32 pm

Unless you are rolling in money Mantra then the ETS (not carbon tax) will leave you slightly better off.

That idiotic skip operator has really shot himself in the foot—his prices are out there thanks to DT, so anyone wanting a skip will ring his competitors and argue for a better price.

So you do listen to 2GB, I thought so, given the idiotic anti–Greens policy statements you come out with.

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by mantra » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:40 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:
So you do listen to 2GB, I thought so, given the idiotic anti–Greens policy statements you come out with.
I spend very little time listening to the radio - 2GB/2UE - there's too much propaganda and hate. As far as the Greens policies go - I don't agree with a few of them, but they are still preferable to the other parties.

The Greens got their timing wrong on the proposed recycling tax - it should have been introduced years ago and the carbon tax should have been deferred for a while until it was sorted out properly. Every man and his dog will be taking advantage of it or will be taken advantage of.

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:49 pm

Forget about the stupid Greens, forget about 2GB etc and look at this:
While there is absolutely and utterly no correlation between house prices and the policy to impose a price on carbon, it is interesting to note that according to the RPData house price series, house prices have risen 0.7% since 30 June 2012.

This 0.7% rise on the $4 trillion value of dwellings means that household wealth has been boosted by around $28 billion since the carbon price took effect. This means that on average, each home owner is about $3,500 to $4,000 wealthier than a fortnight ago, before the carbon price was introduced.
http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2129- ... ax-started" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This increase in house prices may have been a reason confidence has been rising and if not it will before long. This rise in confidence is one reason the LNP won’t win in 2013.

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:18 pm

Other good moves:

http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2123-2123" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Includes value of $A (would have preferred this to drop but superb economic management by Labor means $A is a safe haven currency, even becoming a world reserve currency, helped also by out interest rates being higher than most anywhere.)

Similarly cost of 10 year bonds dropped, meaning less interest that has to be paid on them and this, with recovery in retail and housing will see the 2012/13 surplus be higher than forecast.

All due to skillful economic management, unlike under Howard & Costello when wasteful spending was the order of the day.

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:13 pm

Wayne Swan @SwannyDPM 19m
Economic research institute shows impacts of carbon price much lower than expected - $8.80 per week rather than $9.90

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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:16 pm

No one cares.

It will be gone as soon as the ALP are fucked off
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Re: Carbon tax increases

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:29 pm

Nah, even if Tone were to win (very unlikely given his approval figures) he would have to leave the carbon price in place, same with the MRRT. The Libs are so incompetent with economics, have such a huge black hole to fill in their costings and make–believe savings that removing taxes will be the last thing they will think of.

There was a poll not that long ago—the electorate knows Tone will leave the Carbon Price in place.

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