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AiA in Atlanta
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by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:56 am
AnimalMother wrote:Umm, the Republicans aren't making it harder to vote. All they're doing is making it harder to fake votes, by requiring voters to produce some identification at polling places. They're also removing dead people, pets, and other invalid registrations from the rolls.
It's interesting that the Democrats are up in arms against the idea of making it harder to cheat the system. Almost as if they needed to cheat in order to win ...
If voter fraud were a genuine problem in the USA then you can be sure that the Republican dominated states would be prosecuting the offenders en masse and sending them to jail.
I think there were around 16 confirmed cases of voter fraud in the last election. When this fact is mentioned to Republicans they reply that the "real number" could be much higher. How much higher? As large as their imagination will allow.
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AnimalMother
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by AnimalMother » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:44 pm
If there was no voter fraud going on, Democrats wouldn't be so fervently objecting to the idea that voters should provide some evidence that they are actually entitled to vote.
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AiA in Atlanta
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by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:08 pm
AnimalMother wrote:If there was no voter fraud going on, Democrats wouldn't be so fervently objecting to the idea that voters should provide some evidence that they are actually entitled to vote.
Again, if there was voter fraud in the numbers that the GOP claims you can be sure the Republicans would be investigating, prosecuting and jailing the offenders.
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AnimalMother
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by AnimalMother » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:55 am
AiA in Atlanta wrote:
Again, if there was voter fraud in the numbers that the GOP claims you can be sure the Republicans would be investigating, prosecuting and jailing the offenders.
They are. Google ACORN and voter registration fraud.
And of course, the other thing Republicans would be doing is pushing for legislation that would require some sort of proof of identity before a person could vote. Which they are also doing.
The real question is - why are Democrats so desperately trying to enable voting fraud?
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AiA in Atlanta
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by AiA in Atlanta » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:32 am
AnimalMother wrote:AiA in Atlanta wrote:
Again, if there was voter fraud in the numbers that the GOP claims you can be sure the Republicans would be investigating, prosecuting and jailing the offenders.
They are. Google ACORN and voter registration fraud.
And of course, the other thing Republicans would be doing is pushing for legislation that would require some sort of proof of identity before a person could vote. Which they are also doing.
The real question is - why are Democrats so desperately trying to enable voting fraud?
No they aren't. Large scale voter fraud doesn't exist in the USA. Where are the numbers?
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mantra
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by mantra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:36 am
AnimalMother wrote:
The real question is - why are Democrats so desperately trying to enable voting fraud?
Most of us can remember when Bush became president. He spat the dummy when he initially didn't win - so the votes were recounted on his demand and surprise, surprise - he won. By rights Al Gore should have won.
For Bush's second term - weren't there thousands of votes not counted in Philadelphia which enabled Bush to be returned? The whole world suspected corruption at the ballot and it was big news here.
Who conducted the FBI investigation - certainly not the Republicans.
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by annielaurie » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:39 am
I think I remember it was Al Gore who spat the dummy on that one, he put up a stink and was the one who insisted the votes be recounted in Florida.
And no, voter fraud is not widespread here in the USA, in fact it is very rare, an individual case here and there, and that's it.
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by mantra » Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:51 am
annielaurie wrote:I think I remember it was Al Gore who spat the dummy on that one, he put up a stink and was the one who insisted the votes be recounted in Florida.
And no, voter fraud is not widespread here in the USA, in fact it is very rare, an individual case here and there, and that's it.
It all happened a long time ago, so perhaps I misinterpreted the proceedings from all those years ago as they were reported here, but this article indicates that if a statewide recount had been ordered - Gore would have won. Were the judges of the US Supreme Court Republicans when Bush was given the presidency?
But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''
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To those who live outside the US - the Republicans represent the extreme RW psuedo religious capitalists of the world. If they weren't so influential and dangerous - no-one would care who became President. Isn't Romney a Jew also? How would the Americans feel about having their first Jewish President? He may not endear himself to world leaders.
On Wednesday morning, Mitt Romney received a giddy reception at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition in Washington, D.C. The audience was clapping before he even set foot on stage, and the applause only got louder as his speech went on. Denouncing President Obama's Middle East policy as "appeasement," he pledged to make Israel his first port of call should he win the 2012 election. "I will reaffirm as a vital national interest Israel's existence as a Jewish state," he said. "I want the world to know that the bonds between Israel and the United States are unshakable.
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by Neferti » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:34 am
mantra wrote:
To those who live outside the US - the Republicans represent the extreme RW psuedo religious capitalists of the world. If they weren't so influential and dangerous - no-one would care who became President.
Isn't Romney a Jew also? How would the Americans feel about having their first Jewish President? He may not endear himself to world leaders.
On Wednesday morning, Mitt Romney received a giddy reception at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Coalition in Washington, D.C. The audience was clapping before he even set foot on stage, and the applause only got louder as his speech went on. Denouncing President Obama's Middle East policy as "appeasement," he pledged to make Israel his first port of call should he win the 2012 election. "I will reaffirm as a vital national interest Israel's existence as a Jewish state," he said. "I want the world to know that the bonds between Israel and the United States are unshakable.
Mitt Romney is a Mormon (and a Piscean, I note).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney
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