Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

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Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by freediver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:49 pm

Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

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Marine Parks, properly implemented from a fisheries management perspective, can reduce the regulatory burden on fishermen. They can make fishing cheaper, simpler, more accessible and more rewarding.

In response to the rapid rise in the use of marine parks by fisheries management authorities, the anti marine park lobby has been frantically trying to establish several new principles, mostly through repetition. These principles go along the lines that marine parks should only be used a last resort due to the impost on fishermen, that marine parks should only be used where necessary (I have never seen an explanation of 'necessary' in this context and can only conclude that it is deliberately left without meaning), or that marine parks should only be justified in terms of their environmental or biodiversity benefits.

This article justifies the rejection of all of these principles, mostly through stating the obvious, then goes into some more subtle principles of marine park design through which the benefit to fishermen can be maximised. It then explains some of the incentives that a vocal minority of fishermen have for misleading the public about marine parks, misleading the public about the views of fishermen, and for making fishing less accessible to the average recreational fisherman.

Let's start by stating the obvious. Most recreational fishermen do not own a boat. If you can design regulations that do not impact on those fishermen without a boat, the regulation will not affect the majority of fishermen. If those regulations allow for the simplification or elimination of other rules designed to limit catches, then the overall regulatory burden is reduced. This is the basis of the first principle of marine park design for fisheries management:
1) Design marine parks so that they have little or no impact on fishermen with limited resources.
A simpler statement that almost completely captures this principle is: Do not ban shore based fishing in accessible locations.

The added burden on fishermen with a boat can be reduced by using no take zones with straight edges and clearly marking the corners with buoys. This is usually possible in all but the far offshore zones in deep water. Fishermen in such situations almost universally use a GPS, which is quite cheap these days. Not all boats are created equal, and the principle can also be applied to those areas that offer some protection to smaller boats from the prevailing winds or that are otherwise valuable to boat fishermen, even if they are slightly less productive. Similar principles can also be applied to kayak fishermen and spearfishermen. The ocean is a blank slate and there is enormous flexibility in designing marine parks. For example spearfishermen are strongly limited by visibility, currents, seafloor structure, depth, swell, boat traffic and other dangers. Many of these parameters vary consistently between locations, thus making it possible to choose locations that minimise the impact on spearfishing. The burden of a well implemented system can also be offset if other rules can be relaxed or eliminated. For example, it is much easier to remember to stay outside of your local marine parks than to remember a different size and bag limit for every single species you might catch.

Thus marine parks can make the rules simpler for fishermen. They can also make fishing more accessible and more productive. To explain this, we again start by stating the obvious: as our fisheries have become more heavily exploited, fishermen have gone to far greater lengths to get 'off the beaten track' in pursuit of exciting fishing opportunities. Over recent decades it has also been well established by hard evidence that the spillover effect from no take zones is heavily concentrated around the edge of the no take zone. That is, the benefit to fishermen is heavily localised. This allows fisheries managers to direct at least some of the benefit from marine parks to land based anglers. This is the basis for the second principle of marine park design for fisheries management:
2) Place no take zones adjacent to easily accessible shore based fishing locations.
This does not mean that these shores based fishing spots will become as productive as remote areas that fishermen spend a lot of time and expense to reach. However it will go some way to tipping the balance in favour of the shore based angler who has no four wheel drive, but who wants to drive down to the local breakwall and catch a bream with his son.

By reducing the need to buy a boat and/or a four wheel drive, or to travel long distances to reach more remote areas, marine parks can make fishing cheaper and more accessible. As well as directing the spillover benefit to shore based anglers, marine parks can push those who do choose to use their boat to spend an extra five minutes travelling further, so that the fish adjacent to the most easily accessed spots are left for the fishermen without a boat. That is, the scheme has an added benefit by transferring the resource to land based anglers (in addition to the spillover effect). This is the basis of the third principle of marine park design for fisheries management:
3) Try to keep boat based fishermen out of the immediate vicinity of the most easily accessed locations for shore based fishermen.


Obviously these principles would backfire if taken to the extreme of forcing all fishermen to fish from the shore. There are natural limits to how much additional benefits can be achieved through these principles. Thus a fourth principle is added for balance:
4) The added travel time or expense created for boat fishermen should not be significant compared to how much effort they typically go to.
A fifth principle helps to reinforce this balance and is also a well-established principle for maximising the spillover effect (rather than say, biodiversity or conservation goals):
5) No take zones should be small.
This last principle is limited only by practical limitations on size, for example due to difficulties associated with enforcement and by the ability of fishermen to cast or drift baits or attract fish with burley.

Fishing lobbies do themselves a great disservice by demanding that marine parks be justified based only on goals of biodiversity and conservation, because this would mean that no take zones will be much larger and the spillover benefits to fishermen will not be as great. It would mean that the above principles are ignored.

Applying these principles to the design of marine parks will make fishing simpler, cheaper and more accessible for the majority of recreational fishermen. For the remaining minority, it will have little impact as these fishermen tend to have the resources to travel wherever they need to in order to catch fish, including to those zone boundaries that do not happen to be on the shore.

These principles will also make fishing more rewarding for most anglers, as it can deliver more fish to those fishermen with fewer resources at their disposal. There is a strong scientific consensus that marine parks benefit fishermen in general through the spillover effect. These principles help to deliver as much of that benefit as possible to shore based anglers.

Much of the anti marine park rhetoric is the typical hubris you expect in response to change (and was seen in past responses to the now 'accepted' management strategies the lobby is now defending as the only options we should use). However, the most experienced anglers may feel threatened by the concept of levelling the playing field, even if it is only to a small extent. They may feel that they have a genuine self interest in opposing marine parks and the principles outlined here, even though all fishermen will benefit. They may take pride in their ability to catch fish where others find it difficult, and value this source of pride more than the simple joy of catching a fish. Boat retailers have an obvious financial interest in making it hard to catch fish without a boat, and have significant power over the editorial staff of fishing publications in which they advertise. Whether or not the threat to their income is real, the perception of a threat or risk has been enough to motivate many of them to great efforts. This goes some way to explaining the desperation seen in the anti marine park lobby and the efforts of a small but vocal minority to falsely claim to represent the majority of fishermen. There have been both subtle and overt attempts, using every method imaginable, to silence recreational fishermen who speak up in support of marine parks and to demand the appearance of a unified recreational fishing lobby. It is these very attempts that have caused the issue to become so divisive among recreational fishermen.

Examples of how these principles might be implemented are shown here.

This article explains the scientific consensus behind marine parks and the concept of minimising the size of no take zones to benefit fishermen. It explains the advantages of marine parks over other management tools in terms of ease of enforcement, resilience and sustainability, and the fundamental flaws that make effective fisheries management so difficulty with traditional tools such as size and catch limits.

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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:02 pm

Do you ever get tired of beating your dead horse?

You are part of the tiny vocal minority pro-marine park bandwagoneers and will never have the support of the fishing community because the benefits of MPAs for fisheries management are not conclusive but the divisiveness and negative effects on fishermen are. There is no benefit to fishers with MPAs no matter how much bullshit you spin

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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by freediver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:39 pm

The only thing that is divisive is the attitude and behaviour of fishermen who oppose marine parks.

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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:58 pm

I don't fish because I can't get fish to jump on my line/hook, but I do crab sometimes because I can trap just about anything.

I recognise green zones are good as safe breeding areas, but know they're very unpopular with both professional and recreational fishers around here - Wide Bay area.

I also happen to know some professionals put their satellite tracking device and eperb on a buoy before entering a green zone for a grab and dash.

Complaints made by recreational land based fishers (no boat) tend to regard placement/position of marine parks. One easily accessible and popular spot in particular was roped into one of the marine parks around here, despite being the only place in the area with a public toilet. So there's probably poo and paper littering the shoreline along the allowed areas.

I grew up surrounded by Royal National Park and Heathcote National Park, plus a Green Belt along the Woronora River in the Sutherland Shire and felt privileged to have so much easily accessible bush to play in.
But since the Qld govt resumed a large portion of cattle leases I was refused a mineral exploration (gold) permit on, by DNR because 2 blackfella tribes had layed competing native title claims over the same piece of ground, and then designated a National Park despite not having anything (flora or fauna) that isn't elsewhere, I've became a bit of a cynical NIMBY regarding it, because the feral pig and dog population has exploded and are protected by virtue of being a restricted area. No firearms or hunting whatsoever. Meaning it doesn't matter how many pigs and dogs we kill in allowed areas, the population will soon replenish itself in the National Park. So some of us refuse to acknowledge the area as a National Park and poach National Parks and Wildlife's pigs and dogs.
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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:23 pm

freediver wrote:The only thing that is divisive is the attitude and behaviour of fishermen who oppose marine parks.
It's dickheads like yourself that think they speak for the fishing community when the reality is you are a small lone voice who thinks that the green agenda should be forced on fishers

Take your communist thinking and shove it up your arse.

If I ever see you on the water, expect a propellor in your fucking forehead
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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by freediver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:29 pm

If I ever see you on the water, expect a propellor in your fucking forehead
This is why the anti marine park lobby look like such hypocrits when the only criticism of marine parks they can come up with is that they are 'divisive'.

"Marine Parks are a bad idea. To prove it, look at the tantrum I am throwing."
One easily accessible and popular spot in particular was roped into one of the marine parks around here
Can you give me more details please?
Meaning it doesn't matter how many pigs and dogs we kill in allowed areas, the population will soon replenish itself in the National Park.
LOL, sounds like the spillover effect.

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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:38 pm

The reason people, the majority are anti MPAs is because like the global warming freaks you lie about the benefits and ignore the negative consequences

Your blinkered ideology is transparent. Eat shit and die.
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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by freediver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:40 pm

The reason people, the majority are anti MPAs
:rofl

And you accuse me of being devisive by falsely claiming to speak on behalf of the majority.

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Re: Marine Parks mean simpler rules for fishermen

Post by IQS.RLOW » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:44 pm

freediver wrote:
The reason people, the majority are anti MPAs
:rofl

And you accuse me of being devisive by falsely claiming to speak on behalf of the majority.
I do speak for the majority

Your little troll efforts to fishing website forums and the reaction you get should tell you that
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Post by freediver » Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:07 pm

What it told me was that those fishermen who support marine parks are unwilling to speak out because of all the BS that goes on (yes they told me this personally), and those that oppose marine parks behave like absolute pratts, but can't figure out why no-one outside of those forums takes them seriously. Even those who nominally 'oppose' marine parks have trouble figuring out where they stand and they all support the use of no take zones in various contexts. The issue itself is not divisive at all as everyone supports marine parks to some extent if you can spend a few pages trying to gently ease it out of them. It is the behaviour of people like you that is dvisive.

Do you really think that 3 or 4 online forums inhabited by the same bunch of people who openly insist that opinions like mine are dangerous and should therefor be silenced consitute some kind of majority? Do you even think that you can define a single meaningful position on the issue that the majority can fall into?

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