Gay marriage conscience vote

[Maxine]

Not allowing gays to marry is discrimination. Why should they be immune from the misery? It is a measure to end discrmination.

Mantra when someone talks shit consistently and frequently I call them on it. Mellie talks shit, several times a day in every fucking forum here!

[Neferti]

I had no idea that the majority of people supported gay marriage. I've fallen behind in my political reading.

Perhaps having a referendum is too big a deal for this issue.

It would be a bloody waste of taxpayers funds!

Most people "support" Homosexuals because they are fed up with hearing about it. I care less what they do in the bedroom. Like I care less what you do or Skippy, IQ, Aussie, AiA, Super Nova, Maxine or Mellie and etcetera does in the bedroom.

I doubt most people support Homosexual "marriage" ......... I imagine that most people don't support Marriage, period! My daughter is married and was married 2 years before producing children (the old fashioned way), however, most of her friends have never married and all have kids. Why they haven't married, who knows, they get the exact same "rights" as those who have a Marriage Certificate do.

[Maxine]

Should still remove discrimination, Naffie!

[Neferti]

Not allowing gays to marry is discrimination. Why should they be immune from the misery? It is a measure to end discrmination.

They can already get married in a Civil Ceremony and have kids via adoption or whatever . So, no discrimination.. They already have EQUAL RIGHTS. It is the definition of the word "marriage" that they are trying to change.

[Maxine]

Not allowing gays to marry is discrimination. Why should they be immune from the misery? It is a measure to end discrmination.

They can already get married in a Civil Ceremony and have kids via adoption or whatever . So, no discrimination.. They already have EQUAL RIGHTS. It is the definition of the word "marriage" that they are trying to change.

Nah you silly cow!

That sounds too separate but (sort of) equal to me. They either have marriage or not.

[mellie]

This is quite a jump since 2004...uncanny, yes?

Public opinion polls
In June 2004, a survey conducted by Newspoll showed that 38% of respondents supported same-sex marriage, with 44% opposed and 18% undecided.
In June 2007, a Galaxy Poll conducted for advocacy group GetUp! measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over.[101]
57% of respondents supported same-sex marriage with 37% opposed and 6% undecided. [101]
71% of respondents supported same-sex couples having the same legal entitlements as opposite-sex de facto couples.[102]
In June 2009, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,100 Australians aged 16 and over. [103]
60% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 36% opposed and 4% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (82%) and who were aged 16-24 (74%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and above category with 45% of respondents) were in support.[103]
58% of respondents supported the recognition of foreign same-sex marriages in Australia, with 36% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (74%) and who were aged 16-24 (73%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 43% of respondents) were in support.[103]
In October 2010, a Galaxy Poll commissioned by Australian Marriage Equality measured the opinions of 1,050 Australians aged 18 and over. [104]
62% of respondents supported the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 33% opposed and 5% undecided. Support was highest amongst respondents who were intending to vote for the Australian Greens (81%), and who were aged 18-24 (80%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket (except for the 50 and over category with 46% of respondents) were in support. [104]
78% of respondents supported a conscience vote on the recognition of same-sex marriage, with 16% opposed and 6% undecided. Support was highest amongst those respondents aged 18-24 (84%), and who lived in South Australia (83%). The majority of respondents from each state and each age bracket were in support. [104]
In March 2011, an Essential Media Poll suggested that support for same-sex marriage had fallen below 50% and opposition was up by 4%. [104]
In July 2011 a survey of 543 people conducted by Roy Morgan measured the support for a number of positions on marriage. [104]
68% of Australians support same-sex marriage
78% classify marriage as a ‘necessary’ institution, with only 22% opposing
In a late November 2011 Galaxy poll of over 1000 voters, 80 percent wanted Tony Abbott to allow the Liberal/National Coalition to participate in Labor's same-sex marriage conscience vote, and that 76 percent of Coalition voters wanted a same-sex marriage conscience vote.

Sorry, but GetUp orchistrated campaign polls dont count.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognitio ... _Australia

(check link)

No Mantra, you haven't fallen behind the times at all, rather are being deceived along with the rest of us into thinking you have.

It's crap!

They are using polls organised by their own campaign managers, (GetUp) ...because attitudes towards controversial issues such as "Gay Marriage" don't change over night, look at the 2004 news poll data, then compare this to "GetUp" organised Galaxy poll findings just 3 years later in 2007.

They are being very select as to which polls they employ to conduct their research.



It's like someone waved a magic wand when suddenly, attitudes towards gay marriage drastically changed in what 3 years?

GetUp, Get Real, they must think we're idiots.

[Neferti]

Not allowing gays to marry is discrimination. Why should they be immune from the misery? It is a measure to end discrmination.

They can already get married in a Civil Ceremony and have kids via adoption or whatever . So, no discrimination.. They already have EQUAL RIGHTS. It is the definition of the word "marriage" that they are trying to change.

Nah you silly cow!

That sounds too separate but (sort of) equal to me. They either have marriage or not.

OK, Monkzine,

In that case I say NO WAY that 2 poofters/dykes should be able to get married in a Church, and why should our Government be sitting around arguing the case.

Why don't they just apply for a "Certificate to Marry" (or whatever it is called) at their local Registry Office. They CAN do it that way.

Most Aussies have never been to Church, so they care less about Homosexuals getting married in "their Church". The ONLY people who ponder about this are the sheep who follow the LABOR crap.

[mellie]

Maxine, this government is discriminating against every Australian when they undemocratically deny them the fundamental right to an opinion, and even vote, ... preferring to 'conscience' vote on our behalf based on findings they have purchased from Galaxy via GetUp.

Take a look for yourself and tell me, is this not discriminating against all Australians, gay, straight or otherwise who are expected to believe they are casting a vote of conscience, based on purchased poll data they have tailored to their likings?

This government discriminates against every thinking Australian, when it argues not all Australians should be treated equally, this or be able to cast their own votes.

Other nations have handed this decision to it's people, patiently waited until election time to ask the public what they think about the prospect of gay marriage....why the hurry?

Getting in for their chop before they get the ass, because they know their days are numbered.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience_vote

This government has no conscience, so how may it cast a vote accordingly?

[Super Nova]

Most people "support" Homosexuals because they are fed up with hearing about it. I care less what they do in the bedroom. Like I care less what you do or Skippy, IQ, Aussie, AiA, Super Nova, Maxine or Mellie and etcetera does in the bedroom.

I agree. I don't care either.

I actually have moved from... the should not marry to let them marry over the last 30 years. Honmophobic country boy upbringing to more open and tolerant views due to growing up a bit and travelling the world. Broading my mind.

Let them get married. It's there buisiness. A legal union that gives both partners the rights of marriage is the right thing.

Now the only issue I have is with them have the right to adopt kids.

[Bart]

Most people "support" Homosexuals because they are fed up with hearing about it.

No, most people don't support gays wanting to be use the term marriage and therefore for gays be defined as being normal.