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judas has a "woman problem"

Post by sprintcyclist » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:59 am

THE Gillard government faces the loss of more than half its seats in NSW - including four held by ministers - and a wipeout in Queensland, where Kevin Rudd would be the only MP certain to hold his seat.
For the first time since the election in August last year, the Coalition is in front on a two-party-preferred basis in all mainland states, with Labor having suffered swings against it of between three and nine percentage points.

According to a quarterly analysis of Newspoll surveys conducted exclusively for The Australian from July to this month, Labor's primary vote is now below 30 per cent in every mainland state except Victoria, where it has dropped five points to 32 per cent.

The advantage Labor and Australia's first female Prime Minister had among women and younger voters has been lost and support in the strongest Labor state of Victoria has crashed, along with personal support for Ms Gillard in her home state. At the last election, Ms Gillard led Tony Abbott as preferred prime minister among women voters by 52 per cent to 33 per cent.

By the end of last year, Ms Gillard had pushed her lead out to 55 per cent to 29 per cent, and Labor said the Opposition Leader had a "problem" with female voters. In the past three months, Ms Gillard's support among women on the question of who would make the better prime minister has fallen from 47 per cent to 39 per cent; Mr Abbott's has risen from 33 per cent to 37 per cent, making the two close to equal.

Schools Minister Peter Garrett's seat of Kingsford-Smith in Sydney's east is one that would fall if an election were held now.

Annabel Horne, who lives in the electorate, is among a growing number of long-time ALP voters who are questioning whether the party has lost touch.

Ms Horne said the Gillard government had disappointed her by defending offshore processing of asylum-seekers and with its attempt to introduce a carbon tax, which she believed would have negligible impact on the climate.

"This Labor government has failed terribly on the refugees; they should be treated humanely," she said. "It seems like the government's in a position where they're just grasping for anything they can get hold of. I like Julia Gillard but I didn't think Kevin Rudd was doing such a bad job.

"A lot of people I know are very disappointed with this government."...................
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Re: judas has a "woman problem"

Post by mantra » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:24 pm

So many females believed that at last the glass ceiling had been broken when Julia Gillard was appointed PM. Hopes were pinned on her being competent, practical and having a natural ability to understand the people - but she's been a big disappointment to a majority of Australians - men and women alike.

Initially it was easy to believe that Abbott's hounding, stalking and constant denigration was a deterrant to her duties and making her too nervous and defensive, but she's had time to overcome that. She seems to have lost her way altogether.

When will Australia ever again be prepared to take on another female primeminister? Ten years, twenty years?

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Post by Plough » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:54 pm

mantra wrote:So many females believed that at last the glass ceiling had been broken when Julia Gillard was appointed PM. Hopes were pinned on her being competent, practical and having a natural ability to understand the people - but she's been a big disappointment to a majority of Australians - men and women alike.

Initially it was easy to believe that Abbott's hounding, stalking and constant denigration was a deterrant to her duties and making her too nervous and defensive, but she's had time to overcome that. She seems to have lost her way altogether.

When will Australia ever again be prepared to take on another female primeminister? Ten years, twenty years?
When you say "hounding and stalking" wouldnt you mean asking tough questions of an elected official. Abbotts behaviour has nothing to do with Gillards gender it has every thing to do with her performance. Abbott was just as hard on Rudd. He was harder on Latham from his front bench position when in Government.

It absolutley shits me to tears when the sexist card is played. Gillard put herself in a position where hard questions were going to be asked of her, particularly in the way she got there. Crying sexism when things become uncomfortable is a massive sign of weaknes, not only by her but by the supporters who encourage it.

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Re: judas has a "woman problem"

Post by mantra » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:39 pm

Plough wrote: When you say "hounding and stalking" wouldnt you mean asking tough questions of an elected official. Abbotts behaviour has nothing to do with Gillards gender it has every thing to do with her performance. Abbott was just as hard on Rudd. He was harder on Latham from his front bench position when in Government.

It absolutley shits me to tears when the sexist card is played. Gillard put herself in a position where hard questions were going to be asked of her, particularly in the way she got there. Crying sexism when things become uncomfortable is a massive sign of weaknes, not only by her but by the supporters who encourage it.
I think it was a little bit more than asking the tough questions. There was an almost instantaneous hate campaign mounted denigrating her physical appearance, her personal life - lack of children and no marriage.

Yes she should have handled it, but she was put off balance. Even someone who couldn't deal with the personal attacks should have had the ability to fall back on her competency, which should have been highly developed considering she had no diversions in her career to distract or delay it.

Of course the sexist card has to be played a little because she is a woman and it is her womanly "qualities" which have been denigrated so disgustingly. Christina Keneally certainly didn't have similar issues with the opposition and the media.

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Post by punk » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:46 pm

i agree manty, she's a useless c unt who couldnt even rely on having one, even ones with c unts dont support her.
Support among women voters for Prime Minister Julia Gillard has plunged from a high of 55 per cent to 39.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-27/f ... ld/2945570
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Re: judas has a "woman problem"

Post by Plough » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:53 pm

mantra wrote:
Plough wrote: When you say "hounding and stalking" wouldnt you mean asking tough questions of an elected official. Abbotts behaviour has nothing to do with Gillards gender it has every thing to do with her performance. Abbott was just as hard on Rudd. He was harder on Latham from his front bench position when in Government.

It absolutley shits me to tears when the sexist card is played. Gillard put herself in a position where hard questions were going to be asked of her, particularly in the way she got there. Crying sexism when things become uncomfortable is a massive sign of weaknes, not only by her but by the supporters who encourage it.
I think it was a little bit more than asking the tough questions. There was an almost instantaneous hate campaign mounted denigrating her physical appearance, her personal life - lack of children and no marriage.

Yes she should have handled it, but she was put off balance. Even someone who couldn't deal with the personal attacks should have had the ability to fall back on her competency, which should have been highly developed considering she had no diversions in her career to distract or delay it.

Of course the sexist card has to be played a little because she is a woman and it is her womanly "qualities" which have been denigrated so disgustingly. Christina Keneally certainly didn't have similar issues with the opposition and the media.
Please link to any sexist attacks by Mr Abbott.

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Post by punk » Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:57 pm

and poofter jokes about browneye too, i could use a laugh

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Post by mantra » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:02 pm

Plough wrote: Please link to any sexist attacks by Mr Abbott.
I don't think Abbott made any blatant sexist attacks, but there were some made by his party - Julie Bishop & one of the National Shadow Ministers - as well as the incessant sexual innuendo and abuse from Coalition supporters. She should have received a modicum of respect just for the fact that she was the primeminister. Some broadcasters treated her like dirt in interviews, not even bothering to let her finish a sentence.

A politician (especially a primeminister) has to deflect mud from all directions - some can ignore it, others will thrive on it and yet some go down and can't get all the way back up again. Gillard is the latter.

It doesn't matter anymore because the damage is done and Gillard didn't prove that she could rise above it all and come out a wiser and stronger person.

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Post by Plough » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:10 pm

So you are saying that Julie Bishop, a woman, is questioning Gillards ability to be PM based on her being a woman? I am sure that you are mistaken there.

A couple of national back benchers? Name names!!

I think she needs to toughen up and her supporters (how ever many are left) should toughen up. She is judged soley on he performance. At the moment popular opinion is that her performance is poor. At the end of his term of PM popular opinion was that Howard was performing poorly. Was it to do with his gender, I think not. Just as Gillard performance is based on nothing to to with her Gender. She is just not up to the task.

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Re: judas has a "woman problem"

Post by mantra » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:31 pm

I'll look for the link later. Bishop made some comment when Gillard became PM about her being childless and the guy from WA - who lost his seat (forgotten his name) made some very sexist comments.

As far as the rest of your post goes - I agree. She should have toughened up by now - but even if she had successfully implemented the government's policies, she would have still had to jump higher to prove her worth than any male primeminister. We live in a sexist society - that's just how it is, and even today in the 21st century females aren't paid an equal wage to males for doing the same work. Women's liberation was never as successful as it has been portrayed.

She can't do the job obviously, but she started at a disadvantage anyway because of her gender.

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