This BER thing...

[Jubial Priest]

The reality I've seen

We all know the reality you live in so you have seen the invoices, know all the costs, know how much they all paid etc

...or did you just drive past and think doi doi doi doi what a pretty building. I will love it and hug it and squeeze it duuhhhhh

[Leftwinger]

I've veiwed a number of projects myself and had plenty of conversation about the programme with a high regional official. He was generally impressed, as was I.

And what's you point with what you've qouted? That the private schools that educate around a third of the countrys students got more bang for their buck than state government schools when spending federal government grant money? Are you trying to prove that federal spending directives weren't all that straightjacketed?

[Jubial Priest]

so you have seen the invoices, know all the costs, know how much they all paid etc

I've veiwed a number of projects myself and had plenty of conversation about the programme with a high regional official.

So that's a 'no' then

And what's you point with what you've qouted? That the private schools that educate around a third of the countrys students got more bang for their buck than state government schools

That private schools paid market rates and the govt got rorted yet again by another failed program implemented by a failed govt.

[Jubial Priest]

And to top it all off. Juliar even admits that labor is so hopeless that she brings in a lib ringer
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/sen ... -job/desc/

Even Julia doesn’t trust herself with public money
So the Prime Minister has brought in some extra protection — a few new strata of bureaucracy to catch spending stuff-ups before they become billion dollar embarrassments.

And how better to prevent Liberal attacks on spending measures than to appoint a Liberal to second-guess every spending decision.

That’s why John Fahey, former Liberal NSW premier and federal Finance Minister, was called in to stack the extra stack of bureaucrats who will keep an eye on flood and cyclone reconstruction funding.

Julia Gillard is taking out insurance against Labor repeating a recent bout of self destruction.

[Aussie]

Why is IQ now using the Jubial Priest nic?

Yes, it is a known IQ sock. One step out of line, and it will join NOIQ in Nauru. Just bear that in mind "Jubial Priest."

[Leftwinger]

The official would have in depth knowledge of the costs of each individual project - he never said "what a waste of money", he had only praise, apart from a few minor quibbles. What I have seen some outstanding buildings added to schools - an asolutely excellent hall built at the school I attended as a child (when the gym consisted of a rusty swing and half a dozen tractor tyres half buried in the ground and performing arts was supported by several chipboard boxes, and old sheet and a curtain rod) and a magnificent library and resource centre where I work (the construction of which is freeing up a whole new building, giving us desperately needed space) to name two. The money spent supported local construction jobs and industry directly and other jobs in the town indirectly as building workers and everyone else invovled spent their wages at the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, bunnings, harvey norman, super cheap auto, the local brothel etc. It's strange how people often assume that just because they don't approve of how a certain sum of money was spent, that money then proceeds to simply evaporate from existence, never to be seen again. Nothing could be further from the truth.

That private schools paid market rates and the govt got rorted yet again by another failed program implemented by a failed govt.

This doesn't even make sense but then it makes sense that it doesn't make sense coming from you since you're a dropkick. First you admit that federal government didn't force a single, one-size-fits all approach to spending the grant onto everybody (apart from the directive it be used for school buildings) then you argue that govt got rorted - you mean the state governments got rorted by the fed? The building codes dictating construction at state schools is largely a matter for state government and were pre-existing when the GFC hit.

You're just repeating the hystrerical MSM crap but I suppose that's easier than thinking.

[Jubial Priest]

Read it and weep, tard

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 5902760108

ALMOST $2 billion has been wasted under the schools stimulus program in the eastern states.

Public schools were forced to vastly overpay for buildings compared with non-government schools.

The revelation has led to calls for broader investigations into the long-term problems of state governments overpaying for school buildings, beyond the Building the Education Revolution program.

Data published by the BER taskforce shows public schools in the three biggest states are paying on average between 26 per cent and a massive 54 per cent more for school buildings than Catholic schools in each state.

In NSW, public schools are paying 38 per cent more for buildings, despite the taskforce finding no "significant differences" in quality between buildings delivered to public schools and non-government schools.

According to the interim report, released on Friday, NSW public schools are being charged an average of $3900 per square metre for BER buildings, compared with $2823 for Catholic schools.

[Leftwinger]

You didn't read my post at all, did you? You can get as many quotes as you like to build a brick house with an adjoining double-bay lock up carport but it will always be more expensive than any quote to build a large, lined tin shed. State government schools have legislated building requirements that non-government schools are not party to. What's your beef - that the federal government should have somehow forced the state education departments to abandon their long-standing school building policies? That's outside the federal government's jurisdiction.

BTW, the argument that state schools were all forced to build things they already hand looks like nonsense to me. The high school I attended already had an assembly hall - the used the new hall money to build a very good new manual arts and trade shop centre, far superior to what existed when I went there. Pretty good idea in a major resource town, don't you think?

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Yes sounds good Leftwinger. I think schools and their Boards(including parents) had quite a say as to where the money went.
I don't doubt that a few buildings cost too much, but there are always companies willing to rort the system. At least the money was spent, went into the community, averted a lot of the effect of the GFC on jobs and industry and there are solid assets and improvements to show for the money.

[Jovial Monk]

Hear hear ele!

The BER buildings were like the only new buildings public schools had seen in 50 or even 100 years.