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Outlaw Yogi

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue May 03, 2011 12:14 pm

Righto, here's channel 7 vid in which the 1st portion is claimed to be from the battle/skirmish aftermath within the bin Laden sanctuary ... no bodies and no evidence.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-lade ... operation/

Seems I'm not the only one requiring evidence, seems even believers recognise the need for proof.

Photos would prove Bin Laden dead
http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-lade ... aden-dead/
The United States may have to release photographs of Osama Bin Laden's corpse to smother any effort to claim he survived a daring weekend US special forces raid, top lawmakers have warned.

"It may be necessary to release the pictures - as gruesome as they undoubtedly will be, because he's been shot in the head - to quell any doubts that this somehow is a ruse that the American government has carried out," said Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joseph Lieberman.

Lieberman, an independent usually aligned with the White House, said he was "absolutely convinced that the man who was killed yesterday was Osama bin Laden" and that he would respect the White House's decision on the photographs.

But, he said, "unless there's an acknowledgement by people in al-Qaeda that bin Laden is dead," some may deny that DNA testing of the body proved it was the elusive terrorist mastermind.

Senator Susan Collins, the top Republican on Lieberman's committee, also declared she has "absolutely no doubt" bin Laden had been killed in his fortified, secretive compound in Pakistan's city of Abbottabad.

"But I recognise that there will be those who will try to generate this myth that he's alive, and that we missed him somehow, and in order to put that to rest it may be necessary to release some of the pictures, or video, or the DNA test," she said.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, a Republican, said US officials were working through whether to release photos of bin Laden's corpse.

"We want to make sure that we maintain dignity - if there was any - in Osama bin Laden, so that we don't inflame problems other places in the world and still provide enough evidence that people are confident that it was Osama bin Laden," he said.

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Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by lisa jones » Tue May 03, 2011 12:50 pm

Pastafarian wrote:Ahhh Outlaw Yogi is one of those conspiracy theorists who sit around a campfire smoking dope.
Yogi Bear recently volunteered the above admission on this forum. Mind you, there was no mention of a campfire.
I would rather die than sell my heart and soul to an online forum Anti Christ like you Monk

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Wed May 04, 2011 10:36 am

Well the need for evidence just won't go away ..

U.S. says bin Laden photo "gruesome," weighs release
http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-lade ... s-release/
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration wrestled on Tuesday with releasing what it called a gruesome image of Osama bin Laden's corpse, even as militants started questioning whether U.S. forces really killed him.
The disclosure of images could provide further closure to Americans nearly a decade after the September 11, 2001, attacks that he masterminded, killing nearly 3,000 Americans. It could also disprove naysayers doubting the death of bin Laden, who was shot in the head and chest at a fortified compound outside of Islamabad.
But critics say such photos are distasteful and if the Obama administration releases them, they could offend Muslims or be exploited by extremists.
See the story and supposed rationales are self contracting ... if avoiding causing offense to muslims was/had been a consideration, they wouldn't knowingly deliberately incite offense by dumping the body at sea.
At the funeral service, his shrouded body was placed in a weighted bag and eased into the north Arabian Sea. Religious remarks were translated into Arabic and read aloud, the U.S. military said.

Still, some analysts warned that objections from Muslim clerics to the sea burial could stoke anti-American sentiment.

The clerics questioned whether the United States properly followed Islamic tradition, saying Muslims should not be buried at sea unless they died during a voyage.
Meanwhile ....

Widely distributed death photo of Osama bin Laden is fake
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap ... ake.photo/
The doctored image blanketed the Internet in the hours after bin Laden's death and was picked up by news groups far and wide, in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Senegal and Iraq.
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Just tried to find origin/source of doctored photos, or rather who 1st released them. Haven't found it, but did find a site using what are said to be fake photos ...
Osama Bin Laden Is Dead
http://www.freewebs.com/bokeatong/osama ... sdead.html
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I know nothing of the credibility, ethics or standards concerning this last site, but someone's gone to a fair bit of bother to gather so much on the topic/issue within such a short time frame.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Wed May 04, 2011 1:48 pm

My suspicion emanates directly from the fact there has not been a credible sighting of UsB since late 2001, meaning conspiracy theory claims that Israeli and French intel orgs say UsB died and had Wahabi burial with traditional unmarked grave in Tora Bora region in late 2001 could be true.

So for me, the conspiracy theory argument/debate is not about whether Usama will become a crew member on Elvis's UFO (the theme and direction of conspiracy theory I expect CIA and the like to seed), but whether there was a genuine (living) target for this mission? come media coup.

According to mainstream media, Pakistani authorities claim a 10 year daughter of UsB (in Paki custody) confirms the US version of events as an on-site witness.
So at this point, unless or until Uncle Sam displays some evidence, they're relying on Arabic media orgs to pick this up, and confirm that alleged family members are in fact bin Laden clan members, if not gain confirming interviews from them.


This comes from a US pseudo-christian doomsday/anti-govt/anti-muslim conspiracy nutter site, so there's no way I'm going to vouch for credibility or integrity, but it seems I'm not the only one under the impression Captain America has been chasing a ghost for the best part of 10 years.

Interview of Dr. Steve Pieczenik – Bin Laden Already Dead in 2002
April 24, 2002
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/1 ... .2002.html
SP: And so we have a blowback with Osama. But what made it more difficult was, I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying. And you could see those in those films, those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean, suddenly, we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere, they said oh it was sent to us anonymously, meaning that someone in the government, our government, was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when, in fact, he’s been dead for months.
And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spelled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan.

I wondered if the 'body double' theory would happen. Didn't expect it so soon though.

Intel Chief: They Killed “Make Believe Osama”
May 2, 2011
http://www.infowars.com/intel-chief-the ... eve-osama/
Gul said the event was a “make believe drama” designed to be used for Obama’s upcoming re-election campaign.

The supposed hit as described by the government and the corporate media is the “stuff of folk lore, for legend-making and the ballad,” Gull explained.

Hamid Gull went on to cite the late Prime Minister of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto, who told David Frost in late 2007 that Osama bin Laden was murdered by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, who is also one of the men convicted of kidnapping and killing journalist Daniel Pearl.

The BBC had excised Bhutto’s comment but was forced to reinsert the footage in its version after the unedited version appeared on YouTube.

Aussie

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Aussie » Wed May 04, 2011 4:05 pm

This will only be resolved when we see what Obami, Clinton et al watched on that 'live' feed.

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Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by annielaurie » Wed May 04, 2011 4:34 pm

Well you know, it's the truth, they did kill him. Why it is so hard to accept the truth? I expect they will have to produce the pictures to convince some people now, else the conspiracy theories will run rampant. This is typical. People would rather invent all manner of conspiracy than accept what really happened. Conspiracy theories satisfy a certain psychological need in many people, for some reason.
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Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Aussie » Wed May 04, 2011 4:57 pm

annielaurie wrote:Well you know, it's the truth, they did kill him. Why it is so hard to accept the truth? I expect they will have to produce the pictures to convince some people now, else the conspiracy theories will run rampant. This is typical. People would rather invent all manner of conspiracy than accept what really happened. Conspiracy theories satisfy a certain psychological need in many people, for some reason.
I reckon it is true. But, the best way to put the matter to rest is to let us see that 'live feed.'

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Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by annielaurie » Wed May 04, 2011 5:14 pm

Aussie wrote:
I reckon it is true. But, the best way to put the matter to rest is to let us see that 'live feed.'
Yeah I agree, and I hope they will release the proof soon. By the way, it's abvious to me that the pictures above are fakes. The first one looks photoshopped from a real pic of bin Laden, and the second one looks like a real death pic, but of somebody else and not bin Laden.
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Outlaw Yogi

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Thu May 05, 2011 12:17 pm

Aussie wrote:This will only be resolved when we see what Obami, Clinton et al watched on that 'live' feed.
Indeed.
annielaurie wrote:Well you know, it's the truth, they did kill him.
Well actually he doesn't, none of us do. Thus the inevitable speculation concerning inconsistent claims and storyline based on questionable rationales.

Aussie wrote:Why it is so hard to accept the truth?
Because there are so many competing versions and perceptions of 'truth'.


Aussie wrote: I expect they will have to produce the pictures to convince some people now,
If they have them, they will, and if they don't they won't.
CIA boss says yes, US boss says no.
Uncle Sam has released graphic US image damaging photos in the name of transpearancy/accountability/responsibility before ... eg perversions and torture pics in detention facilities .. so the 'avoiding inflaming islamic sensitivities' just doesn't wash .. nor does the sea burial scenario.


One thing I've been waiting for is independent photo corroboration from Pakistani mobile/cell phone photos taken by aroused locals ... like wreckage of the ditched helicopter.

Ah, now we might be getting somewhere ...

[image too big] .. Wreckage photo No 39 of gallery (of 48) @
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011 ... 058/#img39


Now, I'd like some other conflicting details of the story straightened out.
Storyline says 4 helicopters took 79 in, 1 chopper crashes, so 3 choppers have to take 79 + prisoners & bodies, so 80+.
Must be big helicopters.
Saw somewhere, so probably back within a prior post, mention of Comanche helicopters, but that can't be right, see ..
[image too big] view Comanche >
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=coman ... =firefox-a


As I've pointed out, my skepticism regards whether UsB was even alive at all in order to actually go after post late 2001. And would expect anyone convinced UsB was already dead to cite timing of his will as reasonable albeit circumstantial evidence supporting their theory or belief.

Bin Laden's last words to his children: I'm sorry
http://au.news.yahoo.com/osama-bin-lade ... -children/
The Kuwaiti newspaper says the will was dated December 14, 2001, and is signed "Your brother Abu Abdullah Osama Muhammad Bin Laden".

US officials were intercepting radio transmissions up until that date from bin Laden in Tora Bora, the caves on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border where he was hiding after the devastating attacks of September 11.

The Washington Post reported that a version of the will was being passed around Arab circles in 2002, but al-Qaeda had claimed the document was a fake.

Intelligence officials at the time were taking the will seriously.

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Got the boogey man?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Thu May 05, 2011 1:13 pm

Seems I'm not the only one taking an interest in the alleged helicopters.

In this, there is mention of Blackhawks, but mostly about supposed new stealth chopper.
Speculation is rampant when it comes to the secret copters used in Bin Laden raid
http://www.inquisitr.com/106081/specula ... aden-raid/
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So the question about plausibility of the storyline is, can 3 choppers [like image above] can carry 80+ people?


More speculation ... stealth blackhawk or bigger comanche favourite themes.

Did U.S. forces use secret stealth helicopters in bin Laden raid?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml
They managed to penetrate Pakistani airspace, hover for 40 minutes, and flee undetected towards Afghanistan until the very last minute.

And now, pictures of the wrecked helicopter that crashed in Osama bin Laden's compound may shed new light on how Navy SEAL raiders snuck into Abbottabad without alerting Pakistani forces - by using secret 'stealth' helicopters
The pictures have left aviation experts scratching their heads, with several concluding it must be a new, as yet unknown helicopter design.
Experts are now speculating the mysterious helicopter may be a descendant of the abandoned RAH-66 Comanche stealth helicopter project.
Search:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=SEALs ... d=0CDMQqAI

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