NBN Business case released!

[deepy]

Could you explain why consumers have not taken up the readily available high speed broadband services now and have, instead, switched to wireless?

[harvey]

Could you explain why consumers have not taken up the readily available high speed broadband services now and have, instead, switched to wireless?

I would suggest that it is far too expensive, too intrusive with getting installed, too restrictive as you are only connected from one source, whereas wireless is far cheaper, extremely mobile and provides a very good service.

[Jovial Monk]

What you mean Deepy? The people that are on TPG unlimited ADSL? Or are you talking about the HFC cables run out to provide pay TV that offer speeds little better than ADSL? Or are you trying to say that people are switching from ADSL to wireless? Because they are not, you know.

The ABS stats show that the number of fixed line services continues to grow and in terms of data down/up loaded the volume moved over fixed line is surging, that of mobile bb is dropping? You realise ABS figures don’t include naked bb? You have posted these same figures on your board, can’t you interpret them?

Then there is the fairly large number who just cannot get ADSL, even in metro areas, due to pair gain, being on some overcrowded RIMS cabinet, line length too long, etc. They are counted in the wireless number but sure don’t want to be!

[deepy]

What you mean Deepy? The people that are on TPG unlimited ADSL? Or are you talking about the HFC cables run out to provide pay TV that offer speeds little better than ADSL? Or are you trying to say that people are switching from ADSL to wireless? Because they are not, you know.

The ABS stats show that the number of fixed line services continues to grow and in terms of data down/up loaded the volume moved over fixed line is surging, that of mobile bb is dropping? You realise ABS figures don’t include naked bb? You have posted these same figures on your board, can’t you interpret them?

Then there is the fairly large number who just cannot get ADSL, even in metro areas, due to pair gain, being on some overcrowded RIMS cabinet, line length too long, etc. They are counted in the wireless number but sure don’t want to be!

You may be unaware that a couple of million homes have access to the HFC cable offering speeds far in excess of ADSL, but people don't subscribe. The ABS figures bear this out. I suggest you take a look.

And wireless? Globally it is becoming the next generation of the internet. We are, naturally so, following suit. http://www.polanimal.com/polanimal/view ... 810#p41810

[Jovial Monk]

I actually mentioned the HFC. Originally for selling pay TV, now internet access is being sold over the HFC, no real advantage over a good ADSL service tho, why switch?

Sure, wireless is growing, so what? Fixed wire is not declining so all this exciting wireless stuff like iPhones and iPads etc etc allows people access when on the move. So what? For volume data you need a fixed service, specifically optical fibre.

I thought you adored and worshipped Joh, why not mention it was people from his party, Qld Nats, working out a service for country people, came up with pretty much a carbon copy of the NBN?

Wireless—great for mobility
Wired—great for volume data transfers.

You have heard about cloud computing? It requires speeds way beyond wireless. Data centres are being built, cloud products are being investigated by govt and industry—the NBN will make it a reality.

TVoverIP—only wired, only the NBN.
Telehealth, and the volume and security of data from monitoring devices in the home—only wired, only the NBN

And so it goes. Wireless will skyrocket—it is an immature service unlike wired. But wired is not declining, it is wired carrying hugely more data than wireless. These are not competing services, they are for different needs.

The only reason people bring up wireless as being superior to the NBN (as if!) is because they are Lib fanbois.

[deepy]

Can you explain why the take up of the NBN is little better than the HFC network?

ONLY about one in 10 of the first Australians to be offered high-speed internet services under the National Broadband Network have taken up the offer.

The federal government yesterday confirmed the take-up rate in the first three Tasmanian towns to receive the NBN was less than 11 per cent, arguing it was evidence the $43 billion program was on track.

And wireless take up is exploding?

Wireless connections are growing at a faster pace than any other form of internet service in Australia, official figures show.

Both original sources are government.

[Jovial Monk]

Armidale over 90%, Willunga over 90% etc even Townsville > 50% even Brunswick with its high number of rental properties has over 50%. If the NBN came here tomorrow I would have the ONT installed but I am stuck with a 2 year contract on the stupid NextG service so it would be two years before I could take it up. Wait till June (IIRC) when Armidale and those mainland sites are lit

Wireless exploding is irrelevant, don’t know why you keep bringing that up, must be because you don’t have a case. Wireless is exploding because it is starting from such a small base. Volume carried by wireless is nevertheless dropping.

[deepy]

Armidale over 90%, Willunga over 90% etc even Townsville > 50% even Brunswick with its high number of rental properties has over 50%. If the NBN came here tomorrow I would have the ONT installed but I am stuck with a 2 year contract on the stupid NextG service so it would be two years before I could take it up. Wait till June (IIRC) when Armidale and those mainland sites are lit

Wireless exploding is irrelevant, don’t know why you keep bringing that up, must be because you don’t have a case. Wireless is exploding because it is starting from such a small base. Volume carried by wireless is nevertheless dropping.

You're confusing opt in with take up. I had a cable attached to my previous residence. But I never took up the service.

And I don't think 4 million is a small base in a country with just over 20 million people. If that equates to 40% of Australia's internet service market, as that article states, then there are only 10 million subscribers.

Incidentally, the take up of wireless is not unique to Australians. It's global.

[Jovial Monk]

I clearly stated the figures were for the takeup of the ONT. I mentioned the problem of pre-existing contracts.

I don’t know why you keep on crapping on about wireless. Wireless is not a competitor or replacement or threat to the NBN, wireless is completely irrelevant to the NBN (except to the areas where the NBN will be provided as fixed wireless of course.)

In a way IQ is more honest, by now it would be fucken labor this and fucking leftard that—as empty as your crap about wireless but a bit more honest about the party political stance he and you take.

Now I am going outside to do some work in my garden. Looking forward to some great, relevant and documented arguments from you bwahahahahahaha!

[deepy]

So you can't explain why globally the take up of wireless is exploding?

I can let you know in very simple terms. One word will do it.

Mobility.