End of the mining boom

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End of the mining boom

Post by Jovial Monk » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:55 pm

While the Rodent & Tip posed as these great economic saviors what really made our economy zoom was the mining boom from 2001, mainly to China but a fair whack of our dirt also got sent to India. DFAT documents show last financial year two-way trade with just China was $58Bn. Tax on that (resource rent tax, company tax, PAYE tax, GST etc) would easily have put $20-25Bn into Tip's coffers (to be wasted on pork by the Rodent :( )

Iron ore prices will drop at least 40%, Gladstone is now shipping less than half of what it used to ship (coking coal.) The ABC just announced that Rio is not opening some mine in Brazil etc.

I believe 5000 miners have been given the sack: with AWAs and no unions they will be unceremoniously shown the door with no redundancy pay or that gay union shit! These people have $500K-$1m mortgages, so when the decline in mining really hits the banks, local communities and the wider community via the multiplier effect will be in the shit! Government revenue will take a real hit! House prices have been inflating but that bubble is deflating rapidly.

Those tax cuts won't be repeated soon! The Depression (that is what it will be, folks) will mean no bracket creep which would slowly reverse those tax cuts. The Rodent giving people with a fair bit of income & assets and the growing unemployment will drain govt coffers which will have a helluva lot less tax revenues coming in.

Rudd is doing the right thing, applying Keynesian economics with the bonus followed by infrastructure spending. The question is, how long can a budget massively in deficit be maintained? If we can borrow the money there will be no inflationary effects yet if we can't borrow and turn to the printing press the value of money will decline quickly.

The ETS might provide a useful new source of govt revenue but in a Depression there will be less industries operating so less permits bought.

So was that mining boom good for us in the longer term or not? Or would a different government have used the proceeds of the mining boom much more wisely? Discouraging the high levels of borrowing, spending money on education, the universities etc, updating infrastructure? Hard to think of a worse govt than the last one!

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by freediver » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:35 pm

If a miner has a $1m mortgage and an insecure job they only have themselves to blame. Everyone knows that mining is cyclical.

The ETS won't help. Rudd will give more in handouts to compensate than the sale of permits actually raises. He should have just taxed emissions, and compensated with tax cuts.

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by Auzgurl » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:40 pm

Even so pple on the ground in the Pilbara ( Pt Hedland )are saying In April things will pick up again..house prices and rents are stable and plans in the pipeline for more camps to be built are to go head for 2009 ..so Im not sure what that indicates at this point.

It doesnt look good tho'

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by Auzgurl » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:43 pm

freediver wrote:If a miner has a $1m mortgage and an insecure job they only have themselves to blame. Everyone knows that mining is cyclical.The ETS won't help. Rudd will give more in handouts to compensate than the sale of permits actually raises. He should have just taxed emissions, and compensated with tax cuts.
they obviously believed assurances by some who said there was at least another 10/15 years of mining left..

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by freediver » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:51 pm

Sure. Mining will continue forever. Specific jobs won't. Specific mines won't. Specific ores won't.

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by Jovial Monk » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:34 pm

Things will pick up in April (WHY? China sliding down faster than us!) and the troops will be home by christmass--the self deception is unreal.

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by mantra. » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:38 am

We're not likely to run out of minerals anytime soon, but China have been stockpiling and to get them through this difficult period are relying on what they already have. Their manufactured exports from our minerals have also nosedived, but this also will leave the way open for them in the future to bargain for far better prices.

What concerns me with the 40% downturn in exports is what will happen to all these unemployed people - in particular those who Howard brought in from overseas. I think they're entitled to permanent residency, so to make a quick buck, there will be a lot of black market dealing going on. How will Australia support another half million people or so on welfare? Already through losses in the stockmarket those applying for the aged pension have been increasing by 3-4,000 every month, not taking into consideration those who are losing or about to lose their jobs.

We're going to be in for a very hard time over the next few years. There will be few jobs guaranteed.

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:23 am

freediver wrote:If a miner has a $1m mortgage and an insecure job they only have themselves to blame. Everyone knows that mining is cyclical.

The ETS won't help. Rudd will give more in handouts to compensate than the sale of permits actually raises. He should have just taxed emissions, and compensated with tax cuts.
They did have huge salaries.

But yeah a boom is not forever. They could have bought a much more modest house and saved a lot of those extreme salaries. That sort of thing was not encouraged by Rodent & Tip!

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by JW Frogen » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:23 pm

My penis is about to enter another inflationary period.

The big FrogenFLATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: End of the mining boom

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:26 pm

JW, you took another Viagra?

Or saw yourself in the mirror? :) :) :)

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