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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:58 am

Lol.....

http://aussiehomeenergy.com.au/SolarROIStandby.pdf


:D

Basically, Bob Brown and green colleagues have invested heavily in green technology, and the only way to cash-in on their own portfolio investments is to convince/make temporarily affordable solar alternatives seem almost viable....well, until you read the fine print and understand that the minute a new government are installed, the greens deal no longer applies, so you will be up Bob Brown shit creek without a biodegradable paddle.

My god, PVC panels are not at all environmentally friendly, are quite toxic in fact... so this begs the question, why a "green" party would be promoting something destined to contaminate our planet for many years to come... well, if it weren't for the fact they have a good idea these panels are only a short-term suck-in... for village idiots and leftard idealists praying to their Climate god for some kind of global revolution.

Oh puleeease!


I despise cannabis, think it's a dangerous substance, but I think I liked Bob Brown more when he was promoting it's legalisation/decriminalisation, at least he wasn't blatantly trying to exploit the well-meaning naive public, only appealed to pot-heads and hippy-freaks who were already brain-fucked to start with....so no harm done.

:roll:



Go for your life, take yourself off the grid.... sadly for you, I don't think Centrelink will cover it. :mrgreen:

The Greens have gone all gooey in the corporate fork and no longer pander to bums, so forget free solar panels, their target audience now is the meterosexual frenetic yuppie student body (preferably non-breeders and small 'c' communist hopefuls and Chinese students)...who like totally think rebelling against like the government and stuff, is like totally awesome and stuff, even if they have no fucking idea how to vote, and have never seen a ballot box in their lives.

Greens target those receptive to AGW brainwashing via Al Gore type seminars and social networking sites.... when you are new on campus, it's a big lonely place, so when a friendly beaded colourful hippy-freak bounds up to you like a long lost cousin, and offers to cover your books for free in biodegradable greens paper, complements of the compulsory student union movement you have to join like it or not after handing you a shitty free campus diary and guild food coupons 20% off a late, 50% off a soggy sushi roll...yum yum.......it's easy to get roped into thinking they are there for you and really care about your on-campus welfare.

1st year students are swarmed by them... at USYD, I kid you not, they even locked the back entry to our guild for the first few weeks (of which was a fire hazard btw)...a place we used to socialise, piss-up, eat and hang-out, so we would have to enter via the front doors where the greens had set themselves up on little tables trawling for fresh meat.

They even knew if we were new, ie, wouldn't harass us when in 2nd year, defiantly targeted the 1st years.lol :D

Honestly, they were a fucking menace.

Ok, kids can be forgiven, but what's your sorry excuse?

:roll:

The greens are no longer that benign little inconsequential feel-good environmental party... they now accept corporate donations, have broken many of their core party values and ethics of which has divided the party.

Gillard and Bob Brown will both exit within 12 months of each other... Bob will retire before the next election, if he makes it this far, because grass-roots greens are miserable due to he blatant hypocrisy.

He's made a fool of them all, those who truly did have regard for the environment once upon a time.

Bobs drunk with power, and power does some pretty terrible things to some people.

He was always a loose cannon, but now he's just down right dangerous and out of control.

Needs to be stopped, for even the greens sake, the traditional greens anyway..not the new fascist communist watermelon arm we see before us today.
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Outlaw Yogi

Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:00 am

Thought you would have come up with something to support your case.
1st link quoted $25K ... like I said, I don't know anyone who's paid more than $20K
2nd link is an anecdote of a quote from a conventional electricity supplier, so hardly surprising they'd massively distort the cost, they're in the coal business.

Now when am I likely to see a credible quote of $80K for an average home?

Outlaw Yogi

Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:02 am

Can't open PDFs on this dodgey borrowed computer.
Mine's in storage 100 km away.

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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:35 am

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Thought you would have come up with something to support your case.
1st link quoted $25K ... like I said, I don't know anyone who's paid more than $20K
2nd link is an anecdote of a quote from a conventional electricity supplier, so hardly surprising they'd massively distort the cost, they're in the coal business.

Now when am I likely to see a credible quote of $80K for an average home?

Off the grid, it's roughly 80k for an average size family, including installation... get it already.

Prove me wrong!

8-)
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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:37 am

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Can't open PDFs on this dodgey borrowed computer.
Mine's in storage 100 km away.

Solar powered or prison/psych facility issued is it?

8-) Yu get that.

Denis Ferguson had the same problem with his government issue Apple Mac.... the poor wretch, couldn't open the ToysRus PDF toy catalogue for days.
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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:44 am

6. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:54 am

Did you know upvc and PVC has been banned for use in water mains in Canada?

Likewise in Australia for over 6 years, before...

19 April 2010: when the Green Building Council introduced a credit into the Green Star rating system for PVC materials after virtually dis-allowing the material for the past six years.

The revision of how PVC and other contentious building materials are treated was the subject of a special report in The Fifth Estate by Lynne Blundell.

The Green Building Council of Australia said the review follows an 18-month review period and was designed to encourage the development and use of best practice PVC material in Australia.

“The PVC credit, as it applied over the past six years, encouraged the minimisation of all PVC use in green buildings,” said Green Star executive director, Robin Mellon.

The “Best Practice Guidelines for PVC in the Built Environment” identifies the “opportunities for environmental impact and health risk reductions in the PVC life cycle,” Mr Mellon said. “These guidelines also recognise some world-leading achievements of PVC manufacturers.”

Under the new PVC credit, projects will be able to claim two points towards their Green Star rating if the project’s flooring and resilient wall coverings, cable, pipe and conduit – which together account for the majority of PVC use in buildings – meet the GBCA’s Best Practice Guidelines.



http://www.thefifthestate.com.au/archives/11431


Ok, it causes cancer, and might give you a brain tumour, but so long as it's ok by the Green Building Council , then it's ok.

See, disallowing it contradicted their PVC solar panel pursuits, so....something had to suffer, why not our health.

Heres what Greenpiss had to say back in 2004... funny how things change when $$$ at stake.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-a ... -toxic-vi/
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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:41 am

mellie wrote:
Outlaw Yogi wrote:Thought you would have come up with something to support your case.
1st link quoted $25K ... like I said, I don't know anyone who's paid more than $20K
2nd link is an anecdote of a quote from a conventional electricity supplier, so hardly surprising they'd massively distort the cost, they're in the coal business.

Now when am I likely to see a credible quote of $80K for an average home?

Off the grid, it's roughly 80k for an average size family, including installation... get it already.

Prove me wrong!

8-)
Like I keep saying, don't know anyone who's spent over $20K.
You keep repeating this $80K figure, but can provide a single example.
I reckon you just made it up.

You made the claim, so it is upon you to do the proving.

BTW, for the 2nd or 3rd time, what's PVC got to do with PV panels?
One's plastic and the other is usually silicone.

You clearly know nothing about this topic, otherwise you wouldn't be going off topic by banging on about unrelated plastics.

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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:49 am

I think you are confusing a few crummy solar panels with off-the-grid self sufficiency, which claims to allow individuals to supply up to 85% of their household power needs.

What you refer to is a few crummy solar panels to heat the pool, spa, and hot-water system...nothing more.


Here, get a quote, and a clue...

http://www.energymatters.com.au/

What's worse, whilst suppliers insist these panels have a 20+ year life span, tell me, why is it that most of these solar companies only provide their customers with a 5 year conditional warranty?
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Re: europe starting to build solar thermal power stations

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:05 am

Photovoltaics (PV) is a method of generating electrical power by converting solar radiation into direct current electricity using semiconductors that exhibit the photovoltaic effect. Photovoltaic power generation employs solar panels composed of a number of cells containing a photovoltaic material. Materials presently used for photovoltaics include monocrystalline silicon, polycrystalline silicon, amorphous silicon, cadmium telluride, and copper indium selenide/sulfide. Due to the growing demand for renewable energy sources, the manufacturing of solar cells and photovoltaic arrays has advanced considerably in recent years-Wiki


PVC is a type of toxic plastic the Greens first opposed, then now seem to have taken a shine to.


Honestly, do they even know what they believe themselves anymore?

To pollute or not to pollute.... to care about the environment, or not to care.... it's all toxic.


It's just more environmentally harmful crap being secreted into our environment , once opposed by a party which claimed to have regard for our environment and human life.

Funny how corporate donations alter perspective and a party's core-ethic/values.

Like PVC, PV solar materials are environmentally toxic also...but we don't hear the greens complaining about this the way they did PVC pipes, only to have changed their minds again and given them their green seal of approval after years of campaigning against them.

Fickle Green pickles.

8-)
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