Pauline Hanson back in poll race

[mellie]

Just bear a little thought to what's being scaled at uni today, will be operating on our heads tomorrow.

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Since you're supposedly a damn nurse, you are aware that the students do go out on practice before they get accredited?

..... Yes, and they make many many mistakes, especially those struggling with English, trying to learn the profession and our language at the same time.

Student services basically carry them through their course... they re-write their essays, hand them back to students, over and over again until it's polished, then they submit it as their own work.

I'm glad I'm out of the profession, quite a few of my friends who I studied with me went overseas, I went through with 2 kids under 5 when I did mine, so I stayed back. They went to Canada, the UK... where the pay and conditions are much much better.

Like our produce, the good stuff goes overseas, meanwhile, we get to suck eggs with imported antibiotic 2nd rate produce, you wouldn't feed to your pig if you saw what we send overseas for a fraction of the price.

My mums a nurse,(well was) though manages a community health care service now, and she's astonished with how half of them cant even do a simple dressing, or even maintain a sterile field.

Think i'm joking?

I'm not.

[mellie]

There's no accreditation, you do your degree completing clinicals along the way (clinical placements), you then go out on post-grad....you don't have to prescribe to the postgraduate program, but it's your best bet because they make sure it's structured, and you work in a variety of different wards.

It was $15.20 I think from memory when I finished, that's back in 2002, not much when you're trying to pay off a HECS debt.

[skippy.]

but because she like anyone who's been to uni in the last 12 years has observed the standard dropping, the scaling of exams, in order to accommodate those who come here to learn English and study at the same time. They can only fail a certain percent, so if everyone is lousy, they have to scale them regardless.

IME, its as much about the drop in high school education as it is about international students.

high school education is pathetic, I worked as a supervisor for last years school certificate and the work that was handed in astounded me.
I kid you not that some of those kids barely wrote their name on the exams and the questions they did attempt to answer were so confusing and off the mark that I thought out of the kids I supervised none of them would get any where near a pass.One kid wrote that Paul Keating was PM when the white Australia policy was binned, fair dinkum.
EVERY single one of them passed, I still cannot believe it, they were given marks for having a go at questions, it didn't seem to matter how wrong the answers were, unbelievable.

[mellie]

The younger teachers are slack, they don't want to set homework in fear they might have to mark it... it really is appalling.

Pay peanuts, you get monkeys I guess, time they started paying teachers and all helping professions what they are worth.

My sons computer teacher left his post (which left a void for almost an entire year) voluntary last year, managing a McDonalds restaurant pays better and comes with better conditions apparently.

[mellie]

My daughter attends a regular high school which has a support unit, and last year, they gave the kids in the support unit the answers to write on their answer sheets. My daughter was confused, said they must think she's really dumb to have given her the answers.

It was only a visual arts test, but that's not the point.

I mentioned it to the principle, though doubt they did anything, and if you piss them off too much, they go on stress leave or make your kids life miserable.

How do we fix it, when it's so broken?

[Outlaw Yogi]

but because she like anyone who's been to uni in the last 12 years has observed the standard dropping, the scaling of exams, in order to accommodate those who come here to learn English and study at the same time. They can only fail a certain percent, so if everyone is lousy, they have to scale them regardless.

IME, its as much about the drop in high school education as it is about international students.

Probably correct. I've noticed its hard to find a publicly educated Qlder who can read and write properly.
The uni I attended as a mature aged student (UCQ) prides itself on its graduates being directly recruited by the mining and timber industries (supposedly) more so than any other uni in OZ. Meanwhile they ran remedial English classes because so many students [almost all Ozzie] couldn't read or comprehend course materials, and then handed out degrees to Forest Gumps.

[Sappho]

Well its only been three years, you can't reverse the effects of a decade of crap funding that quick.

They haven't even touched the funding model in that time... nor even talked about the funding model in that time. You are being far too charitable and nowhere near critical enough... remember, Dullard claims to have joined politics to make a difference in education... and she is yet to do that.

[Pastafarian]

Well its only been three years, you can't reverse the effects of a decade of crap funding that quick.

They haven't even touched the funding model in that time... nor even talked about the funding model in that time. You are being far too charitable and nowhere near critical enough... remember, Dullard claims to have joined politics to make a difference in education... and she is yet to do that.

OK, Labors done a crap job, hows that. I admit it, I also admit though that this whole thing hasn't been helped by previous governments.

[boxy]

Anyone know how much she makes with all these half arsed runs?

[mantra]

The last time Hanson ran and failed the amount she got paid was around $280,000 - it may have been a bit more, and her campaigning consisted of a couple of appearances on TV and radio - oh she did talk to Alan Jones more than once, but that was about it.