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[Sappho]

Don't be angry, Sappho. Be thankful that I have educated you. Thanks to me, you now know that you are an atheist.

LOLZ... If I am an atheist by your standards, I'm yet to know why. And it is the 'why' questions that make for debate Dring.

Never mind.

Oh hai... my mother the catholic believes in faeries... and I mean really believes in faeries. It is the great family joke!

You are an atheist not by my standards, but by the definition of the word, and by your own words "I don't believe in god". Those words right there make you an atheist and if you disagree then you don't know the meaning of the word. You can prefix it with 'agnostic' atheist or 'gnostic' atheist if you must, but that's what you are.

The great family joke should be that she believes in god. The vastly smaller joke is that she believes in fairies.

But I didn't say "I don't believe in god." That is not my sentence that is your sentence. My sentence was vastly different and further explained. But if that is too hard for you... what about the sentence that says... "I don't disbelieve god."

Also, if you are an atheist, why did you assume that god is judgemental? Surely if you are without belief, then equally you are without assumptions on the nature of god... and yet... there you are in this thread assuming at least one quality of a god/s. That's not atheism.

Furthermore, if you are an athiest and atheists are not by definition in dispute with theists, why is it to be deemed a great joke for a believer to believe? Surely it doesn't matter to the atheist. Unless of course there are consequences of atheist belief that sees the athiest dispute the theist belief? So that whilst it is not a requirement of atheism to dispute the atheist it is a consequence often observed.

[Swami Dring]

But I didn't say "I don't believe in god."

Sure you did. And then you wrote other things qualifying your beliefs, but those things are not relevant to the question of whether or not you are atheist. Those five words make you an atheist. This is getting boring so if you still don't get it I can't help you. I get the feeling from reading your posts that English was not your first language. If this is so, perhaps it explains your inability to comprehend the definition of the word.

Also, if you are an atheist, why did you assume that god is judgemental? Surely if you are without belief, then equally you are without assumptions on the nature of god... and yet... there you are in this thread assuming at least one quality of a god/s. That's not atheism.

I don't assume that god is judgmental because I don't believe in gods. I was speculating about the motives which cause agnostics to sit on the fence. Those motives, I suspect, are influenced by the fact that the christian god is said to be judgmental. (I mention the christian god because that is the favourite god in Aus.)

Furthermore, if you are an athiest and atheists are not by definition in dispute with theists, why is it to be deemed a great joke for a believer to believe? Surely it doesn't matter to the atheist. Unless of course there are consequences of atheist belief that sees the athiest dispute the theist belief? So that whilst it is not a requirement of atheism to dispute the atheist it is a consequence often observed.

Why is it a great joke?! Are you serious? It's the greatest joke of all because it's the most absurd story ever told. A monumentally ridiculous story backed up by precisely zero evidence. It is an embarrassing, shameful thing for a grown adult to believe in. If I was a theist, I would be too embarrassed to admit it to anyone because I would feel like a colossal idiot and a coward. (So perhaps I am a closet believer, eh? Not bloody likely.)

One of the consequences of atheist unbelief is the ability to see religion for what it is. That is, a con. Not just any con, but the biggest con ever played on mankind. Priests (and every other variety of religion-pusher) are assholes. The scum of the earth. They tell lies to the frightened, the stupid, the ignorant and the vain, they take their cash and they rape their children. And they don't even have the decency to pay tax. That means that the rest of us who do pay tax, including atheists, subsidise these fluffy bunnies. It makes me sick.

[Sappho]

I don't assume that god is judgmental because I don't believe in gods. I was speculating about the motives which cause agnostics to sit on the fence. Those motives, I suspect, are influenced by the fact that the christian god is said to be judgmental. (I mention the christian god because that is the favourite god in Aus.)

What on earth has Christianity got to do with anything? My argument was not about christianity or any of the Abrahamic god faiths. My argument was about god/s that were not of such scripture. If you think that atheism is about lacking Abrahamic theism (the original meaning of the word), then I am not that kind of atheist either. I actively disbelieve the Abrahamic God and his theisms. I have found him to be a logical impossibility. You cannot be all good to the universe, all knowing of the universe and all powerful in that universe and still find evil floating about in that universe.

My original argument claims that for the sake of this discussion I believe in god/s that is/are not described in religious text. My subargument claims that in reality I am unsure about the existance or non existance of these god/s that are not described in religious text. Like Aia, I am presenting you with god/s without theism which, for the sake of argument, I believe in.

Why is it a great joke?! Are you serious? It's the greatest joke of all because it's the most absurd story ever told. A monumentally ridiculous story backed up by precisely zero evidence. It is an embarrassing, shameful thing for a grown adult to believe in. If I was a theist, I would be too embarrassed to admit it to anyone because I would feel like a colossal idiot and a coward. (So perhaps I am a closet believer, eh? Not bloody likely.)

Actually, the most absurd stories told are found in Polytheism. Monotheism tends to be pretty boring with an excessive focus on morality. But don't let that get in the way of your obvious and bias hatred for Abraham's faiths.

One of the consequences of atheist unbelief is the ability to see religion for what it is. That is, a con. Not just any con, but the biggest con ever played on mankind. Priests (and every other variety of religion-pusher) are assholes. The scum of the earth. They tell lies to the frightened, the stupid, the ignorant and the vain, they take their cash and they rape their children. And they don't even have the decency to pay tax. That means that the rest of us who do pay tax, including atheists, subsidise these fluffy bunnies. It makes me sick.

Again, based on your points of reference, you are speaking about Chrisitianity and in particular, the hypocracy of those with authority. None of this has anything to do with me an my belief in god/s that are not described in religious texts.

[Ned Kelly]

Oh, so it's just an esoteric argument. Hang on, I think I said that and the response was that you were smarter than me. You may well be, but I've seen no evidence at PA, or anywhere.

My original argument claims that for the sake of this discussion I believe in god/s that is/are not described in religious text. My subargument claims that in reality I am unsure about the existance or non existance of these god/s that are not described in religious text. Like Aia, I am presenting you with god/s without theism which, for the sake of argument, I believe in.

[Swami Dring]

I don't assume that god is judgmental because I don't believe in gods. I was speculating about the motives which cause agnostics to sit on the fence. Those motives, I suspect, are influenced by the fact that the christian god is said to be judgmental. (I mention the christian god because that is the favourite god in Aus.)

What on earth has Christianity got to do with anything?

You brought it up with your Catholic mum.

My argument was not about christianity or any of the Abrahamic god faiths. My argument was about god/s that were not of such scripture.......My original argument claims that for the sake of this discussion I believe in god/s that is/are not described in religious text. My subargument claims that in reality I am unsure about the existance or non existance of these god/s that are not described in religious text. Like Aia, I am presenting you with god/s without theism which, for the sake of argument, I believe in.

Give me a precise definition of the god(s) of which you are unsure about the existence.

Actually, the most absurd stories told are found in Polytheism. Monotheism tends to be pretty boring with an excessive focus on morality. But don't let that get in the way of your obvious and bias hatred for Abraham's faiths.

I despise all religion but it's only natural to despise most the religion which has infiltrated and poisoned your country to the greatest degree.

[Sappho]

I don't assume that god is judgmental because I don't believe in gods. I was speculating about the motives which cause agnostics to sit on the fence. Those motives, I suspect, are influenced by the fact that the christian god is said to be judgmental. (I mention the christian god because that is the favourite god in Aus.)

What on earth has Christianity got to do with anything?

You brought it up with your Catholic mum.

Irrelevant. That was an aside which did not relate to me or my argument. Stay focused Dring.

My argument was not about christianity or any of the Abrahamic god faiths. My argument was about god/s that were not of such scripture.......My original argument claims that for the sake of this discussion I believe in god/s that is/are not described in religious text. My subargument claims that in reality I am unsure about the existance or non existance of these god/s that are not described in religious text. Like Aia, I am presenting you with god/s without theism which, for the sake of argument, I believe in.

Give me a precise definition of the god(s) of which you are unsure about the existence.

I have given you as precise a definition as can ever be given. These gods are not found in religious texts. I do not know their nature. I do not know their purpose. I do not know if they have intervened in human business. But, for the sake of the argument I believe that they exist.

Actually, the most absurd stories told are found in Polytheism. Monotheism tends to be pretty boring with an excessive focus on morality. But don't let that get in the way of your obvious and bias hatred for Abraham's faiths.

I despise all religion but it's only natural to despise most the religion which has infiltrated and poisoned your country to the greatest degree.

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Well yes you are right.... One only needs to look at the war machine that was Ancient Rome. Mars the god of War had a who month devoted to him with many war prep celebrations... that month was March.

[Ned Kelly]

I have given you as precise a definition as can ever be given.

Well, that's it Swami. The Skunk is also All Knowing.

[Sappho]

I have given you as precise a definition as can ever be given.

Well, that's it Swami. The Skunk is also All Knowing.

Oh hai there stalker... as in the real deal kind of stalker according to your 4 point definition.

Whatchya doin'?

Oh... making crazy claims again.

No worries carry on.

[Ned Kelly]

Sorry about that interruption in transmission, Swami. This is what you need to address. It comes from a very High Place.

I have given you as precise a definition as can ever be given.

I reckon you are stuffed..............................err..............................umm.........................err!

[Sappho]

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Fascinating. Maybe I was too kind in claiming you are merely an imbecile.