climate change and how the left has been misleading public

[Outlaw Yogi]

Challenge to Global Warming/Climate Change denialists and skeptics.
Explain how our sun could melt undersea permafrosts and acidify sea water

The methane time bomb
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 38932.html

Scientists aboard a research ship that has sailed the entire length of Russia's northern coast have discovered intense concentrations of methane – sometimes at up to 100 times background levels – over several areas covering thousands of square miles of the Siberian continental shelf.
In the past few days, the researchers have seen areas of sea foaming with gas bubbling up through "methane chimneys" rising from the sea floor. They believe that the sub-sea layer of permafrost, which has acted like a "lid" to prevent the gas from escaping, has melted away to allow methane to rise from underground deposits formed before the last ice age.

The amount of methane stored beneath the Arctic is calculated to be greater than the total amount of carbon locked up in global coal reserves so there is intense interest in the stability of these deposits as the region warms at a faster rate than other places on earth.

At some locations, methane concentrations reached 100 times background levels. These anomalies have been seen in the East Siberian Sea and the Laptev Sea, covering several tens of thousands of square kilometres, amounting to millions of tons of methane, said Dr Gustafsson. "This may be of the same magnitude as presently estimated from the global ocean," he said. "Nobody knows how many more such areas exist on the extensive East Siberian continental shelves.

"The conventional thought has been that the permafrost 'lid' on the sub-sea sediments on the Siberian shelf should cap and hold the massive reservoirs of shallow methane deposits in place. The growing evidence for release of methane in this inaccessible region may suggest that the permafrost lid is starting to get perforated and thus leak methane... The permafrost now has small holes. We have found elevated levels of methane above the water surface and even more in the water just below. It is obvious that the source is the seabed."

EPA Affirms Threat of Ocean Acidification
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news ... -2010.html

As oceans absorb carbon dioxide pollution from the atmosphere, waters are becoming more and more acidic. The water is increasingly corrosive to shellfish and corals and impairs the ability of marine animals to build the protective shells they need to survive. Nearly every marine animal studied to date has experienced adverse effects due to acidification. Under stress from ocean acidification, some corals are already growing more slowly and will begin to erode faster than they can build within decades. Acidification has contributed to oysters failing to reproduce for the past six years in the Pacific Northwest.

Scientists have confirmed widespread ocean acidification due to CO2 pollution. A survey off the West Coast showed that waters affected by ocean acidification are already upwelling onto the continental shelf and exposing marine life in surface waters to corrosive conditions. The Arctic also faces imminent consequences, and areas of the Arctic are expected to become corrosive by 2016.

[Super Nova]

The methane time bomb is the one that worries me the most.

When it happens we will have a run away green house adding 5-7 degrees to average temperature. That is really significant.

I guess it is time to buy a house 100m up in the hills near the oceans so i can get an early seaside position.

Time to invest in the Dutch indistry of building dykes.

See, there is always an opportunity to exploit humanity's stupidity if you don't give a shit about humanity as a whole.

[Outlaw Yogi]

by Super Nova

The methane time bomb is the one that worries me the most.

When it happens we will have a run away green house adding 5-7 degrees to average temperature. That is really significant.

We may only have raised atmospheric temps by an average of 0.7 degrees C, but ocean temps have risen 1.7 to 4 degrees C (depending on location).
20 years ago or so the scenario was - if we raise atmospheric temps by 5 degrees C the methane clathrates will thaw causing another 5 degree C raise in temps.
A 5 degree C raise in temps would wipe out all specialist life forms and leave a severely degraded biosphere for the adaptables ... cockroaches, rats, pigs, humans. But that 5 degree C temp raise causing an additional 5 degree C temp raise (taking us into the 'Runaway Global warming' scenario), thus a 10 degree temp raise would induce a Permian extinction like scenario. The Permian extinction wiped out 90% of all aquatic life and 70% of all terrestrial life. So yeh, the end of the world as we know it.
Seems they misjudged the raise in temp required to thaw the frozen methane, meaning we have passed the 'Tipping point' (point of no return) into Runaway Global Warming, because the methane melt down is in progress, thus we are already in the Runaway Global warming scenario.

I guess it is time to buy a house 100m up in the hills near the oceans so i can get an early seaside position.

Spoze that's fine if you think your structure can withstand the super storms that come with increased weather intensities.
I bought 200 metres up in the hills 100km inland (18 years ago)
My guestimations of sea/ocean level rise is 97 metres in a matter 2 to 3 decades.
I suspect the Doomsday Vault builders estimates are similar, as they've put their seed bank on an arctic island 130 metres above sea level.

Time to invest in the Dutch indistry of building dykes.

See, there is always an opportunity to exploit humanity's stupidity if you don't give a shit about humanity as a whole.

I gave up on humanity a few years back. Afraid its going to be every mongrel bastard for himself.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Seems according to the GW/CC denalist & skeptic crowd the intel orgs have had the doomsday wool pulled over their eyes .. not new, but entirely relevant ...

Analyst warns of looming global climate wars
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... 345829.htm

[Outlaw Yogi]

Siberia's Climate Time Bomb: Thawing Permafrost Could Spell Disaster
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/2 ... 86554.html

Katey Walter Anthony, of the University of Alaska Fairbanks, has been measuring methane seeps in Arctic lakes in Alaska, Canada and Russia, starting here around Chersky 10 years ago.

She was stunned to see how much methane was leaking from holes in the sediment at the bottom of one of the first lakes she visited. "On some days it looked like the lake was boiling," she said. Returning each year, she noticed this and other lakes doubling in size as warm water ate into the frozen banks.

"The edges of the lake look like someone eating a cookie. The permafrost gets digested in the guts of the lake and burps out as methane," she said in an interview in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, en route to a field trip in Greenland and Scandinavia.

More than 50 billion tons could be unleashed from Siberian lakes alone, more than 10 times the amount now in the atmosphere, she said.

[Outlaw Yogi]

UN issues severe climate warning ahead of summit
http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 42094.html

The world is now firmly on the path for dangerous climate change in the coming century, a major new assessment reveals today on the eve of the forthcoming UN climate conference which opens next week in Mexico.

All the pledges of the nations which have agreed to cut or limit their emissions of greenhouse gases, when added together, still leave the world far short of what is needed to halt the coming rise in global average temperatures to 2C, generally regarded as the danger threshold, according to the study from the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).

[Outlaw Yogi]

Right .. for those still in denial on GW/CC they need only look into paleontology and geology to see/find the same scenario in the past several times. And in each case the Earth had massive global floods ... we've had 3 within the last 18,000 years (or some would say since Last Glacial Maximum).
The photos I posted previously in this thread are proof positive of human civilisation inundated by global flood way before mainstream archeology posits the birth of human civilisation.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/polanimal/view ... a&start=50

Skeptics/critics of mainstream archeology, like myself, posit the Garden of Eden story is about this place ...

Lost Civilization Under Persian Gulf
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Lost_ ... f_999.html

During the last ice age ocean levels were 120 metres lower than they are today, and I'm saying current polar and glacial thaws has the potential to raise ocean levels by another 97 metres.
To get an idea of how much land was lost since the post ice age floods, check ...
Inundation maps (end of ice age floods)
http://www.psmsl.org/train_and_info/geo ... L/HOME.htm

Now consider where most large human populations live.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Personally I think the time for genuine remedial action has passed and we should be preparing for adaption and mitigation.

Tax on carbon: The only way to save our planet?

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 75130.html

Professor James Hansen's last formal engagement was delivering a keynote paper to the American Geophysical Union Autumn meeting. After that, he spent the holidays not enjoying wintry walks or taking advantage of the sales, but doing something altogether more industrious. "I'm writing a paper to provide the scientific basis for [law] suits against the government – just to make them do their job," he says.


Hansen, director of the Nasa Goddard Institute for Space Studies and one of the world's leading climate scientists, has not always been as politically engaged as he is now. He had hoped that politicians would respond to the scientific community by taking action to minimise the risks from climate change. But over the course of 30 years advising US administrations from Jimmy Carter to George W Bush, he has seen how the influence of the energy companies has corrupted the political process. Now with just a small window of opportunity left in which to stabilise our climate before it slips out of our control, he has been busying himself with writing to key heads of state around the globe, advocating civil resistance against the coal industry and getting himself arrested while campaigning against mountain-top removal coal mining.

After his famous testimony before a Congressional committee in 1988 that human-induced global warming had begun, Hansen spent the next 15 years turning down most requests for talks and interviews, preferring to focus on research. He overcame his reticence in 2004, when he became angered by the Bush administration's political interference in climate science. He was seized by the need to ensure the public had the facts about the risks posed by climate change, but he also became outspoken on policy issues, crossing a line that many scientists steer clear of.

"Two degrees Celsius is guaranteed disaster," says Hansen scornfully. "It is equivalent to the early Pliocene epoch [between 5.5 and 2.5 million years ago] when the sea level was 25m higher. What we don't know is how long it takes ice sheets to disintegrate, but we know we'd be starting a process which then is going to be out of control. Because the way it works – the planet is out of energy balance, most of the additional energy is going into the ocean, which melts the ice shelves, which then allows the ice sheets to discharge ice more rapidly – if you want to stop that and you've pushed it up to two degrees, then you've got to cool off the ocean. Well that's going to take hundreds of years. So you would have a situation which can't be fixed except with some geo-engineering, which is a pretty awful inheritance to leave for our children."

[White Indigene]

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[Outlaw Yogi]

Might sign upto that one.
I love doom and gloom.
If that 'watcher' character is a Jesus freak as their avatar implies, they're probably going to despie me, because I reckon psuedo-christian doomseekers are mostly responsible for the mess our planet is currently in, and have a doomsday agenda to destroy the world in order to self-fulfil a morbid fantasy known as the 2nd coming of Christ. Which is sadly humorous when considering the idea was appropriated from Krishna's promise to return when the world turns bad.