Will Ukraine spark WW3?

[Bobby]

The Russians are spinning bullshit to
tell the opposite story.
It's getting very serious.
I fear this will end up as WW3.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/25/euro ... index.html


The West fears Russia is about to attack Ukraine.
But that's not the way Russians are seeing it on TV

Analysis by Jill Dougherty, for CNN

Updated 1742 GMT (0142 HKT) January 25, 2022



(CNN)Foreign forces bristling with weapons are rolling toward the Ukrainian border. Reconnaissance planes streak overhead. Rumors of "false flag" operations run rampant.
If you're watching state TV in Moscow, you're seeing video of troops and tanks, barbed wire and snipers taking aim, but it's not Russia's forces that are poised for attack -- it's NATO's.
Welcome to Russia's mirror-image depiction of the showdown over Ukraine. In the country's alternate media landscape, NATO forces are carrying out a plan that's been in the works for years: Encircle Russia, topple President Vladimir Putin and seize control of Russia's energy resources.

In Moscow's view, repeated in nearly every newscast and talk show, Ukraine is a failed state entirely controlled by the "puppet master" -- the United States. Europe is a weak and divided collection of lap dogs taking orders from Washington. Even the US, as frighteningly threatening as it is, is weak and divided too, torn apart by political division and racial unrest.

But wait. How can those powers be a threat -- and be weak at the same time? That's one of the conundrums of Russian state propaganda. Thinking things through isn't what they're trying to encourage. Rather they're trying to raise the blood pressure of their viewers -- and to make them very afraid.

[Redneck]

The Russians are spinning bullshit to
tell the opposite story.
It's getting very serious.
I fear this will end up as WW3.


https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/25/euro ... index.html


The West fears Russia is about to attack Ukraine.
But that's not the way Russians are seeing it on TV

Analysis by Jill Dougherty, for CNN

Updated 1742 GMT (0142 HKT) January 25, 2022



(CNN)Foreign forces bristling with weapons are rolling toward the Ukrainian border. Reconnaissance planes streak overhead. Rumors of "false flag" operations run rampant.
If you're watching state TV in Moscow, you're seeing video of troops and tanks, barbed wire and snipers taking aim, but it's not Russia's forces that are poised for attack -- it's NATO's.
Welcome to Russia's mirror-image depiction of the showdown over Ukraine. In the country's alternate media landscape, NATO forces are carrying out a plan that's been in the works for years: Encircle Russia, topple President Vladimir Putin and seize control of Russia's energy resources.

In Moscow's view, repeated in nearly every newscast and talk show, Ukraine is a failed state entirely controlled by the "puppet master" -- the United States. Europe is a weak and divided collection of lap dogs taking orders from Washington. Even the US, as frighteningly threatening as it is, is weak and divided too, torn apart by political division and racial unrest.

But wait. How can those powers be a threat -- and be weak at the same time? That's one of the conundrums of Russian state propaganda. Thinking things through isn't what they're trying to encourage. Rather they're trying to raise the blood pressure of their viewers -- and to make them very afraid.

Yes it certainly is a worry!

[Bobby]

Yes it certainly is a worry!

It's a terrible worry.
Putin is like Hitler.
I don't see him backing down and sending his troops back to their barracks.
The fact is that no one was threatening Russia.
Everyone was frightened of Russia.
The United Nations has done nothing to ease tensions since Putin invaded Crimea in 2014.
We're right back to 1939 with a new war in Europe.

[Trevor P]

Sounds like you are being a bit dramatic Bobby...

[Bobby]

Sounds like you are being a bit dramatic Bobby...

No - this is very serious -
it's the closest we've been to a major European war since 1945.

[Trevor P]

It's all theatre.

[Bobby]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-europe ... -tensions/


Suppliers in US, Middle East, North Africa, Asia may deliver


US, Europe draw up gas supply plan in case of Russian cutoff amid Ukraine tensions




Washington and allies worry potential economic and political sanctions over military buildup could lead to Moscow stopping deliveries to continent at height of winter
By Ellen Knickmeyer, AAMER MADHANI and Matthew Daly Today, 8:35 am



WASHINGTON (AP) — US and European officials are coordinating with natural gas suppliers around the globe to cushion the impact if Russia were to cut off energy supplies in the conflict over Ukraine, Biden administration officials say.

The US and European allies have promised punishing economic and political sanctions if Russia moves its military into Ukraine, but worry about repercussions for Europeans from any such sanctions, including Russia potentially cutting off delivery of its natural gas to Europe at the height of winter.

Putin has deployed roughly 100,000 troops near Ukraine’s border for weeks, sparking a diplomatic crisis for Europe and the United States. He denies any intention of invading.

Any US and European measures against Russia in the event of an invasion “also have consequences for others, including us,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in remarks as part of a lecture series Monday night.

“There’s a cost imposed on everyone,” Blinken said. “But we have done a tremendous amount of work to mitigate any effects of sanctions on those…imposing them, as well as any retaliatory action that Russia might take.”

[Valkie]

Biden needs a war.

For the same reasons howard the coward needed his unrest all the time.
People tend to stay with the incumbent at times of unrest.
Besides biden has to placate his backers ( the weapons manufacturers)

They need lots of bang bangs to make as much cash as possible.
If a few million people have to die to accomplish that end, so be it.

[LearJet]

Sounds like you are being a bit dramatic Bobby...

No - this is very serious -
it's the closest we've been to a major European war since 1945.

So far all Putin has done is move his own troops and equipment within Russian Territory.

Scary maybe, but nothing beyond that.

I say let Putin have the Ukraine if he wants it so bad.

It serves none of our vital interests, but if Putin does cross over the border, then we will know his resolve and desires for certain, but we're still no worse off.

On the other hand, if we move now, or over react before his 'potential' attack, we could be falling into his trap, and he'd be able to claim provocation for any of his defensive counter attacks or actions.

Caution here I think is probably the smarter move being Putin still has over 5,000 nukes at his disposal, many of which could potentially hit targets anywhere on the planet. Yes, and doing so would also mean retaliatory mutual destruction for the entire human race.

[Bobby]

Sounds like you are being a bit dramatic Bobby...

No - this is very serious -
it's the closest we've been to a major European war since 1945.

So far all Putin has done is move his own troops and equipment within Russian Territory.

Scary maybe, but nothing beyond that.

I say let Putin have the Ukraine if he wants it so bad.

It serves none of our vital interests, but if Putin does cross over the border, then we will know his resolve and desires for certain, but we're still no worse off.

On the other hand, if we move now, or over react before his 'potential' attack, we could be falling into his trap, and he'd be able to claim provocation for any of his defensive counter attacks or actions.

Caution here I think is probably the smarter move being Putin still has over 5,000 nukes at his disposal, many of which could potentially hit targets anywhere on the planet. Yes, and doing so would also mean retaliatory mutual destruction for the entire human race.

You sound like Neville Chamberlain.