UK Election

[brian ross]

Not a great watcher of UK politics but I thought Labour sounded too left wing and Corbyn was on the nose and didnt really seem to have any solutions.

Perhaps. However, when Corbyn was elected leader of the Labour Party in the UK, membership surged and it surged again when he brought out his policy platform which was, compared to what had happened before, quite left-wing, Red. It appeared that the corner had been turned and that people in the UK were fed up with Tories and their privatisation efforts. So, who are we to judge whether or not Corbyn was "too left-wing"? I also thought he was quite brave coming out with the policies he presented to the UK public during the election.

BREXIT obscured the realities of the UK electorate and cut across party lines in a big, big way. There were Tories who were opposed to the deals that the Tory Government brought before Parliament, just as there were Labourites who believed in BREXIT and the deals they were presented with.

[brian ross]

Briney wrote

Perhaps the real problem was that the Tories' advertising was dishonest while Labour's wasn't?

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

[Black Orchid]

Briney wrote

Perhaps the real problem was that the Tories' advertising was dishonest while Labour's wasn't?

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

You are totally obsessed with me Brian!

I did not make any of those posts which you quoted.

[Nom De Plume]

Briney wrote

Perhaps the real problem was that the Tories' advertising was dishonest while Labour's wasn't?

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

Who am I?

If the Irish don't want Brexit, then they can do what the Scots are doing and pursue independence. Have they started that process?

[Redneck]

Briney wrote

Perhaps the real problem was that the Tories' advertising was dishonest while Labour's wasn't?

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

Who am I?

If the Irish don't want Brexit, then they can do what the Scots are doing and pursue independence. Have they started that process?

That would probably be the best solution for Ireland if the two Irish sides could agree to get along!

[Nom De Plume]

I suspect we are witnessing the end of the United Kingdom as former members seek political self-determination.

i wonder if we have the political mechanisms for succession?

[brian ross]

I suspect we are witnessing the end of the United Kingdom as former members seek political self-determination.

Transformation of the UK into a Federal nation might be the best solution to the current problem of Scottish and Irish efforts to breakaway from England. Such a solution would still keep the UK united and allow the authority of London to be fully devolved down to Scotland and Northern Ireland and Wales. However, I doubt that London would allow that to occur.

i wonder if we have the political mechanisms for succession?

We "succeeded" in 1986 with the finally breaking of Government links between Canberra and London.

[brian ross]

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

Who am I?

If the Irish don't want Brexit, then they can do what the Scots are doing and pursue independence. Have they started that process?

That would probably be the best solution for Ireland if the two Irish sides could agree to get along!

Nothing like BREXIT has driven Northern Ireland closer to Eire. The Northern Irish have come to appreciate the open border that the Good Friday Peace Accords and the EU have created. A good part of the problem with BREXIT is the creation of an "Irish backstop". Without it, the Northern Irish were not happy at a hard border with southern Ireland.

[brian ross]

Briney wrote

Perhaps the real problem was that the Tories' advertising was dishonest while Labour's wasn't?

The depths you lefties will sink to deny reality is just breathtaking.

The workers of he world united, Brian. Against the undemocratic policies of people like you.

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

And the Irish and...48% of the general electorate that voted "remain", Black Orchid.

Once again, reality makes you stumble. Tsk, tsk.

You are totally obsessed with me Brian!

I did not make any of those posts which you quoted.

My apologies, Black Orchid. I was thinking of you at the wrong time.

[Bogan]

NDP wrpte

What a crock! The real reason the left lost is because they promised another referendum, which the people didn't want and the fact that they were obstructing Brexit. The people, excepting the Scots want Brexit. It was also an issue with the leader of the left who was far too socialist.

Since when has the North of England ever objected to a Labor leader who was too socialist? Even when Maggie Thatcher similarly wiped out Labour when she got elected, the "red wall" of labour seats in the north kept the faith. Not this time. What we are witnessing is a complete realignment of the working class away from their traditional Labor party, which no longer even pretends to represent them. Instead, it looks down it's nose at them, ignores them, and talks down to them.

The UK has had a Brexit referendum and a Brexit election, and the results were a clear affirmation of the people's will for Britain to Brexit. But for thee years, the political establishment comprising the labour party, academics, rich corporations, and the public service have conspired to frustrate the people's will. THAT was what the election wipeout was all about, NDP. It was ordinary people taking back the sovereignty of their country from a political class who considers democracy a real inconvenience to the sort of quixotic world they dream about.

Boris was clear. Vote for us and Britain will Brexit. Labour just wanted to muddle around forever until the whole thing hopefully went away. That approach made the people so angry that even seats that Labour has held for 80-134 years fell to the Tories.

Next will come the revenge of the Deplorables in the USA.