The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

[sprintcyclist]

Sprintcyclist wrote

In a crime situation, if the offenders are possibly facing the death penalty, well, it does not matter what they do.
It can make situations worse for victims.

I don't think that is true, but if you can find some examples to illustrate your point then I will accept that as minor point against the death penalty. MY example against your assertion is, the Bega schoolgirl murders. Two men who were on parole, and who were facing very serious charges which would have resulted in very serious jail time, thought they had nothing to lose by abducting two schoolgirls in Bega, NSW. They raped them and then murdered them. Had they known that such behaviour would earn them the gallows, they might have considered that they had a lot more to lose, and those two girls might still be alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFbeb1shTZ0

In addition, the death penalty can be used as a bargaining chip by prosecutors who make deals with the accused. Gary Ridgeway, the Green River serial killer, who murdered over 60 young women, was offered a deal by prosecutors to plead guilty and give up the locations of the bodies, in order to spare him the death penalty when he was convicted. Ridgeway pleaded guilty, the state avoided paying for an extremely lengthy and expensive trial, and the families of the dead girls were able to recover their loved ones bodies.

Here in Australia, Ivan Milat was believed to have murdered several more missing young people, but had nothing to lose by not admitting to those crimes. The threat of the noose may have loosened his tongue and more murders may have been solved, and more bodies recovered for their loved ones to bury.

Sprintcyclist wrote

If an offender is deranged mentally or by drugs, they will likely not consider the penalties anyway.

I am not proposing the death penalty as general punishment for murder. Only for those who commit the most heinous of crimes, like mass murder, terrorism, the abduction and rape of women and children, serial killers, hired murderers, serious drug traffickers, career criminals who never reform, those who are jailed for murder who serve their sentences and then kill again, those who murder while in custody, and those who kill or maim police officers and prison warders.

Sprintcyclist wrote

In the US they provide legal avenues for the prisoners, that costs all the money.

Under the British system, a condemned person gets no more than two weeks to live after conviction.

Australia has more than 60 terrorists serving very long sentences at $100,000 dollars p.a. to keep them locked up. $6 million dollars a year. Hiring a backhoe costs $60 dollars an hour, and a bullet costs 15 cents.

very good points.
thanks for a constructive discussion.

[brian ross]

The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime?

dear Brian,
I know all that.

And still you post crap about a movie?

Your position contains an absurdity that someone
like Gargasoulas has the power to execute innocent people
yet Judges in court have no power to execute him.

Gargasoulas' victims deserve justice, not revenge. Nothing would suit him more than to rot in a gaol or a psychiatric facility for the rest of his days, looking out the window at the sky, never experiencing freedom, ever again.

[Bobby]

The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime?

dear Brian,
I know all that.

And still you post crap about a movie?

Your position contains an absurdity that someone
like Gargasoulas has the power to execute innocent people
yet Judges in court have no power to execute him.

Gargasoulas' victims deserve justice, not revenge. Nothing would suit him more than to rot in a gaol or a psychiatric facility for the rest of his days, looking out the window at the sky, never experiencing freedom, ever again.

He still needs a good public hanging.
I'd like you to be the hangman.

[brian ross]

The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime?

dear Brian,
I know all that.

And still you post crap about a movie?

Your position contains an absurdity that someone
like Gargasoulas has the power to execute innocent people
yet Judges in court have no power to execute him.

Gargasoulas' victims deserve justice, not revenge. Nothing would suit him more than to rot in a gaol or a psychiatric facility for the rest of his days, looking out the window at the sky, never experiencing freedom, ever again.

He still needs a good public hanging.
I'd like you to be the hangman.

I refuse. I will not satisfy your atavistic blood lust, Bobby.

[Valkie]

It's not about justice

It's not about revenge

It's about removing a toxic element from the human race
Cut it out with the same consideration that one give a cancer when the doctor removes it.

These creatures are worthless, a cancer, a desease.
Not worthy of our care or consideration.
Give them the same consideration they gave their victims.

Like cancer, these creatures spread,
Look at the muzzo CULT of DEATH
As they breed and grow, so does the cancer.
Cut it out early, and there is a chance of survival.

As I stated
Not noe EXICUTED CRIMINAL has ever re-offended, ever.

[brian ross]

I do wish you'd learn how to spell, Valkie. Seems you get too excited in your diatribes.

[Nom De Plume]

I do wish you'd learn how to spell, Valkie. Seems you get too excited in your diatribes.

But what do you think of the idea that some people are so toxic, for what ever reason, as to be irredeemable and therefore best to be humanely terminated?

[brian ross]

But what do you think of the idea that some people are so toxic, for what ever reason, as to be irredeemable and therefore best to be humanely terminated?

I think it is a convenient excuse which allows people to kill other people. This supports the view that the Death Penalty is about revenge, rather than justice. Justice would see that the perpetrator is punished. The withholding of freedom for extended periods or life is punishment IMHO. It gives the perpetrator the chance to reconsider their actions and reform. This is impossible with the Death Penalty. Once you're dead, you're dead.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

I think it is a convenient excuse which allows people to kill other people. This supports the view that the Death Penalty is about revenge, rather than justice. Justice would see that the perpetrator is punished. The withholding of freedom for extended periods or life is punishment IMHO. It gives the perpetrator the chance to reconsider their actions and reform. This is impossible with the Death Penalty. Once you're dead, you're dead.

it must be your Christian upbringing that makes you think that all criminals are capable of reform, Brian. I don't blame you for that, After all, our legal system is based upon the Christian concept of Redemption.

But criminology has come a long way from the time when we applied Christian concepts to serious criminals. We know that serial killers will continue to kill until they are dead or incarcerated. We know that once the cake is baked, it can't be unbaked. In the past, our society has taken pity on serial murderers and released them only to have them kill again. This is no longer acceptable. Nor is putting very dangerous prisoners in jail to kill other prisoners or prison officers.

I pointed out 8 reasons why very serious criminals should be executed in my original post and you did not address any argument to counter any of them. You keep going on and on about how wrong it is to kill people, perhaps you should tell your defence mates how wrong their profession is? Soldiers kill people, Brian. They are every countries hired murderers and enforcers. How you reconcile your DOD related career with the conviction that the very worst enemies of the state and the people should not be killed is beyond me.

[Bobby]

The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime?

dear Brian,
I know all that.

And still you post crap about a movie?

Your position contains an absurdity that someone
like Gargasoulas has the power to execute innocent people
yet Judges in court have no power to execute him.

Gargasoulas' victims deserve justice, not revenge. Nothing would suit him more than to rot in a gaol or a psychiatric facility for the rest of his days, looking out the window at the sky, never experiencing freedom, ever again.

He still needs a good public hanging.
I'd like you to be the hangman.

I refuse. I will not satisfy your atavistic blood lust, Bobby.

I hope to see a country where apologists and progressives like you are forced
to hang the enemies of our society.