Bendigo mosque construction begins

[Black Orchid]

Over 110,000 people live in the greater Bendigo area and 466 of those identify as muslim/islamic. There are more Hindus than that and there are over 1000 Buddhists. Why no taxpayer grants of hundreds of thousands of dollars to them to build a temple?

Makes sense to the brain dead and delusional.

[The4thEstate]

I'm suggesting exactly what I suggested -- that it's impossible to determine whether or not any given Muslim refugee (or his children) might someday suffer an attack of Sudden Jihad Syndrome and abruptly decide it's his duty to massacre a large number of "infidels" in the name of the Prophet.

OK, how do you tell when a Christian migrant is going to go off their head and mount a private crusade against say, an Abortion Clinic, 4E? How about a Buddhist deciding to kill Muslims? Or a Hindu or an average American Joe Bloggs?

That's easy -- you don't. Because you don't have to.

There have been exactly 2 instances of deadly violence at abortion clinics since the year 2000, resulting in 4 deaths, and neither of these attacks involved Christian migrants as far as I know.

I am likewise unaware of any Buddhist or Hindu attacks against Muslims on U.S. soil.

Yet I can name several Muslim terrorism attacks on U.S. soil that resulted in substantial mass murder since the year 2000 -- including, of course, more than 3,000 victims on 9/11. Several were committed by recent immigrants or the children of recent immigrants.

And as I've already established, that's hardly an anomaly in today's world: The Global Terrorism Index notes that the four deadliest terrorism groups during one recent year were the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS and Boko Haram, all of which accounted for two-thirds of the world's terrorism deaths.

So ... all a responsible government can do is safeguard its citizens against the most likely attacks by the most likely sources.

I mean, you can lie awake all night worrying about Jehovah's Witnesses sneaking onto your property and digging up your petunia garden, but at some point, reality should set in.

You cannot. Therefore you make efforts to prevent them, before they occur. When they do occur, you punish the perpetrators with the full force of the law.

No, you don't treat global terrorism as if it were just another civilian crime. You regard it as an attack by enemy combatants and respond accordingly -- with the full might of your military if necessary.

That's why Osama bin Laden is no longer in the business of planning attacks on New York skyscrapers. The Navy SEALs paid him a little surprise visit and administered their own form of justice ("Say hello to my little friend!").

Au contraire! "Radicalisation" is basically a new word and a newish concept. Other faiths are just as easily radicalised, 4E. You have Christians killing Abortion Clinic staff. You have Christians engaging in wide-spread kiddie fiddling. "Radicalisation" can take many forms.

There you go again with that abortion clinic stuff. FYI: The last deadly abortion clinic attack on U.S. soil occurred in 2015, the last one before that in 2009, and the last one before that in 1998.

To an Islamic terrorist group, three attacks in 21 years is the very definition of "inactive."

White Supremacy seems to be hitting the radar nowadays. Funny that, hey, 4E?

Well, that's the latest buzzword with the Democrats and national media (pardon the redundancy). But when we consider the two latest shootings, the El Paso killer was a white supremacist and the Dayton killer idolized Antifa, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

But don't expect to hear about the latter. It doesn't further the left's narrative.

To also suggest that we don't need to worry about Christian extremists flies in the face of recent history in the US and other places around the world. In India, one of the largest extremist groups is actually Christian in it's teachings. The largest of course is Hindu. In Europe, Christianity predominates in the extremist stakes. In Africa, again, despite all the publicity, the largest Terrorist groups are guess what? Christian. It is why Rwandans are turning to Islam and why the inhabitants of the Central African Republic live in fear. In the US, various Terrorist groups all run under the banner of "Christianity". Terrorism exists around the world and it has many different hues but the end result is the same, now isn't it?

The end result isn't the same when it comes to the overall body count. That's why the Global Terrorism Index listed the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIS as the deadliest terrorism groups in the recent year I cited. Not a lot of Christian groups on that list.

And yet most of their casualties are their fellow Muslims, rather than Westerners, 4E. The most number of Terrorist incidents in Europe and the US have been committed by non-Muslims. Funny that, hey?

Not surprising at all to anyone who's spent at least 30 seconds studying the percentage of Americans by religion. When, for instance, Islam represents only about 1 percent of all Americans, why would any thinking person expect there to be a greater number of terrorism incidents by Muslims?

But that's assuming your statement is even accurate, and I don't. Take a look at this list of "terrorism incidents in France" and notice how few recent attacks involved anyone other than Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _in_France

Whatever the case, let's examine more honest, relevant statistics such as which religion is responsible for the greatest number of 21st century terrorism deaths on U.S. soil in the name of their god. Here we have no rival for Islam, whose body count starts at 3,000 and continues to increase by the year.

(Note the words "in the name of their god," because it's bogus to say, "People of the Christian faith commit murder every day in America." Sure they do -- but the vast majority don't scream, "This one's for Jesus" before pulling the trigger.)

And if you really wanted to be honest, you'd consider the number of terrorist deaths per capita caused by each religion in the name of their god.

Christians just put on nice military uniforms and kill millions of people for their God, 4E and it's called "war" and that is perfectly OK with you, it seems.

Oh, really? Show me any evidence of a Holy War perpetrated in the name of Jesus by the United States during this or the 20th century.

Heck, I'll make it even easier for you: Show me any evidence of a Christian Holy War perpetrated by a Western power during this or the 20th century. Especially one that resulted in the deaths of "millions of people."

Your mind seems stuck in the Crusades.

I think you'll find that Christians kill far more Muslims than Muslims kill Christians, 4E. They do it with drones, with laser-guided bombs, missiles, machine guns and assault rifles. Islamists are much more personal about their death dealing it seems. Funny that, hey?

Modern Christians in Western military uniforms don't kill in the name of their religion, so your argument is invalid.

Moreover, the armies of Western nations include Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and even Muslims. So it's laughable that you would even try to describe Western wartime actions as some kind of Christian Holy War.

It's a lot more clear-cut on the other side: Find me any Islamic terrorist group that contains anything besides Muslims.

Take all the time you need ...

[Valkie]

I'm suggesting exactly what I suggested -- that it's impossible to determine whether or not any given Muslim refugee (or his children) might someday suffer an attack of Sudden Jihad Syndrome and abruptly decide it's his duty to massacre a large number of "infidels" in the name of the Prophet.

OK, how do you tell when a Christian migrant is going to go off their head and mount a private crusade against say, an Abortion Clinic, 4E? How about a Buddhist deciding to kill Muslims? Or a Hindu or an average American Joe Bloggs?

That's easy -- you don't. Because you don't have to.

There have been exactly 2 instances of deadly violence at abortion clinics since the year 2000, resulting in 4 deaths, and neither of these attacks involved Christian migrants as far as I know.

I am likewise unaware of any Buddhist or Hindu attacks against Muslims on U.S. soil.

Yet I can name several Muslim terrorism attacks on U.S. soil that resulted in substantial mass murder since the year 2000 -- including, of course, more than 3,000 victims on 9/11. Several were committed by recent immigrants or the children of recent immigrants.

And as I've already established, that's hardly an anomaly in today's world: The Global Terrorism Index notes that the four deadliest terrorism groups during one recent year were the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS and Boko Haram, all of which accounted for two-thirds of the world's terrorism deaths.

So ... all a responsible government can do is safeguard its citizens against the most likely attacks by the most likely sources.

I mean, you can lie awake all night worrying about Jehovah's Witnesses sneaking onto your property and digging up your petunia garden, but at some point, reality should set in.

You cannot. Therefore you make efforts to prevent them, before they occur. When they do occur, you punish the perpetrators with the full force of the law.

No, you don't treat global terrorism as if it were just another civilian crime. You regard it as an attack by enemy combatants and respond accordingly -- with the full might of your military if necessary.

That's why Osama bin Laden is no longer in the business of planning attacks on New York skyscrapers. The Navy SEALs paid him a little surprise visit and administered their own form of justice ("Say hello to my little friend!").

Au contraire! "Radicalisation" is basically a new word and a newish concept. Other faiths are just as easily radicalised, 4E. You have Christians killing Abortion Clinic staff. You have Christians engaging in wide-spread kiddie fiddling. "Radicalisation" can take many forms.

There you go again with that abortion clinic stuff. FYI: The last deadly abortion clinic attack on U.S. soil occurred in 2015, the last one before that in 2009, and the last one before that in 1998.

To an Islamic terrorist group, three attacks in 21 years is the very definition of "inactive."

White Supremacy seems to be hitting the radar nowadays. Funny that, hey, 4E?

Well, that's the latest buzzword with the Democrats and national media (pardon the redundancy). But when we consider the two latest shootings, the El Paso killer was a white supremacist and the Dayton killer idolized Antifa, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

But don't expect to hear about the latter. It doesn't further the left's narrative.

To also suggest that we don't need to worry about Christian extremists flies in the face of recent history in the US and other places around the world. In India, one of the largest extremist groups is actually Christian in it's teachings. The largest of course is Hindu. In Europe, Christianity predominates in the extremist stakes. In Africa, again, despite all the publicity, the largest Terrorist groups are guess what? Christian. It is why Rwandans are turning to Islam and why the inhabitants of the Central African Republic live in fear. In the US, various Terrorist groups all run under the banner of "Christianity". Terrorism exists around the world and it has many different hues but the end result is the same, now isn't it?

The end result isn't the same when it comes to the overall body count. That's why the Global Terrorism Index listed the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIS as the deadliest terrorism groups in the recent year I cited. Not a lot of Christian groups on that list.

And yet most of their casualties are their fellow Muslims, rather than Westerners, 4E. The most number of Terrorist incidents in Europe and the US have been committed by non-Muslims. Funny that, hey?

Not surprising at all to anyone who's spent at least 30 seconds studying the percentage of Americans by religion. When, for instance, Islam represents only about 1 percent of all Americans, why would any thinking person expect there to be a greater number of terrorism incidents by Muslims?

But that's assuming your statement is even accurate, and I don't. Take a look at this list of "terrorism incidents in France" and notice how few recent attacks involved anyone other than Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _in_France

Whatever the case, let's examine more honest, relevant statistics such as which religion is responsible for the greatest number of 21st century terrorism deaths on U.S. soil in the name of their god. Here we have no rival for Islam, whose body count starts at 3,000 and continues to increase by the year.

(Note the words "in the name of their god," because it's bogus to say, "People of the Christian faith commit murder every day in America." Sure they do -- but the vast majority don't scream, "This one's for Jesus" before pulling the trigger.)

And if you really wanted to be honest, you'd consider the number of terrorist deaths per capita caused by each religion in the name of their god.

Christians just put on nice military uniforms and kill millions of people for their God, 4E and it's called "war" and that is perfectly OK with you, it seems.

Oh, really? Show me any evidence of a Holy War perpetrated in the name of Jesus by the United States during this or the 20th century.

Heck, I'll make it even easier for you: Show me any evidence of a Christian Holy War perpetrated by a Western power during this or the 20th century. Especially one that resulted in the deaths of "millions of people."

Your mind seems stuck in the Crusades.

I think you'll find that Christians kill far more Muslims than Muslims kill Christians, 4E. They do it with drones, with laser-guided bombs, missiles, machine guns and assault rifles. Islamists are much more personal about their death dealing it seems. Funny that, hey?

Modern Christians in Western military uniforms don't kill in the name of their religion, so your argument is invalid.

Moreover, the armies of Western nations include Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and even Muslims. So it's laughable that you would even try to describe Western wartime actions as some kind of Christian Holy War.

It's a lot more clear-cut on the other side: Find me any Islamic terrorist group that contains anything besides Muslims.

Take all the time you need ...

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

[The4thEstate]

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

Yeah, when its comes to snuffing out innocent lives in the name of one's god, nobody does it like the religion of Big Mo.

[brian ross]

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

Yeah, when its comes to snuffing out innocent lives in the name of one's god, nobody does it like the religion of Big Mo.

Except Christianity... All in the name of Christ, hey?

[brian ross]

I'm suggesting exactly what I suggested -- that it's impossible to determine whether or not any given Muslim refugee (or his children) might someday suffer an attack of Sudden Jihad Syndrome and abruptly decide it's his duty to massacre a large number of "infidels" in the name of the Prophet.

OK, how do you tell when a Christian migrant is going to go off their head and mount a private crusade against say, an Abortion Clinic, 4E? How about a Buddhist deciding to kill Muslims? Or a Hindu or an average American Joe Bloggs?

That's easy -- you don't. Because you don't have to.

There have been exactly 2 instances of deadly violence at abortion clinics since the year 2000, resulting in 4 deaths, and neither of these attacks involved Christian migrants as far as I know.

I am likewise unaware of any Buddhist or Hindu attacks against Muslims on U.S. soil.

Yet I can name several Muslim terrorism attacks on U.S. soil that resulted in substantial mass murder since the year 2000 -- including, of course, more than 3,000 victims on 9/11. Several were committed by recent immigrants or the children of recent immigrants.

And as I've already established, that's hardly an anomaly in today's world: The Global Terrorism Index notes that the four deadliest terrorism groups during one recent year were the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS and Boko Haram, all of which accounted for two-thirds of the world's terrorism deaths.

So ... all a responsible government can do is safeguard its citizens against the most likely attacks by the most likely sources.

I mean, you can lie awake all night worrying about Jehovah's Witnesses sneaking onto your property and digging up your petunia garden, but at some point, reality should set in.

Nope. Are you in Crazy America, 4E? I would be. I mean you lot need guns to protect yourself from your fellow citizens, now don't you? Tsk, tsk.

On 16 July 2001, Peter James Knight walked into the East Melbourne Fertility Clinic, a private abortion provider, carrying a rifle and other weapons[74] including 16 litres of kerosene, three lighters, torches, 30 gags, and a handwritten note that read "We regret to advise that as a result of a fatal accident involving some members of staff, we have been forced to cancel all appointments today". Knight later stated that he intended to massacre everyone in the clinic, and attack all Melbourne abortion clinics. He developed home made mouth gags and door jambs to restrain all patients and staff inside a clinic while he doused them with the kerosene.[75] He shot 44-year-old Stephen Gordon Rogers, a security guard, in the chest, killing him. Staff and clients overpowered him soon after. He intended to massacre the 15 staff and 26 patients at the clinic by burning them alive.[76]

According to psychiatrist Don Sendipathy, Knight interpreted the Bible in his own unique way and believed in his own brand of Christianity. He believed in a pro-life Crusade.[76]

Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[77]

Dr. George Tiller, one of the few doctors in the United States who provided abortions late in pregnancy, was a frequent target of anti-abortion violence and was killed in 2009 by Scott Roeder as he stood in the foyer of his church. A witness who was serving as an usher alongside Dr. Tiller at the church that day told the court that Mr. Roeder entered the foyer, put a gun to the doctor's head and pulled the trigger. At trial, Mr. Roeder admitted to killing Dr. Tiller and said he did it to protect unborn babies. He was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. At his sentencing, he told the court that God's judgment would "sweep over this land like a prairie wind."

Dr. Tiller was shot once before, in 1993, by Shelley Shannon, an anti-abortion activist who compared abortion providers to Hitler and said she believed that "justifiable force" was necessary to stop abortions. Ms. Shannon was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the shooting of Dr. Tiller and later confessed to vandalizing and burning a string of abortion clinics in California, Nevada and Oregon.

James Kopp was convicted of the murder of Dr. Barnett Slepian, an obstetrician who provided abortion services in the Buffalo area, and has been named a suspect in the shooting of several abortion providers in Canada. Mr. Kopp hid in the woods behind Dr. Slepian's home in October 1998 and shot him through the window with a high-powered rifle, killing him as he stood in his kitchen with his family. Dr. Slepian had just returned from a memorial service for his father when he was killed. Mr. Kopp spent several years on the run in Mexico, Ireland and France before he was captured and extradited to the United States. He was convicted of a state charge of second-degree murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years in jail. He was convicted in 2007 on a separate federal charge and sentenced to life in prison. The authorities in Canada also suspect Mr. Kopp in the nonlethal attacks on several abortion providers there who were shot through the windows of their homes. He was charged with the 1995 attempted murder of Dr. Hugh Short, an abortion provider in Ontario, although the charges were dropped after his conviction in New York. The police in Canada also named him a suspect in the 1997 shooting of Dr. Jack Fainman in Winnipeg and the 1994 shooting of Dr. Garson Romalis in Vancouver, which was the first attack on an abortion provider in Canada.

The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[78] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[79] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[80][81] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work".[82] Dear's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end." Authorities said that he spoke of "no more baby parts" in a rambling interview after his arrest.

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Mmm, 1 crazy downunder, how many crazies in the US? 4 by my count...

You cannot. Therefore you make efforts to prevent them, before they occur. When they do occur, you punish the perpetrators with the full force of the law.

No, you don't treat global terrorism as if it were just another civilian crime. You regard it as an attack by enemy combatants and respond accordingly -- with the full might of your military if necessary.

That's why Osama bin Laden is no longer in the business of planning attacks on New York skyscrapers. The Navy SEALs paid him a little surprise visit and administered their own form of justice ("Say hello to my little friend!").

And what sort of trial did he receive, 4E? Mmmm? Then we have numerous other Muslims who have been killed, both deliberately and by mistake in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Yemen... What evidence was ever presented before a court, hey? Seems to me to be killing by fiat.

Au contraire! "Radicalisation" is basically a new word and a newish concept. Other faiths are just as easily radicalised, 4E. You have Christians killing Abortion Clinic staff. You have Christians engaging in wide-spread kiddie fiddling. "Radicalisation" can take many forms.

There you go again with that abortion clinic stuff. FYI: The last deadly abortion clinic attack on U.S. soil occurred in 2015, the last one before that in 2009, and the last one before that in 1998.
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Missed one...

To an Islamic terrorist group, three attacks in 21 years is the very definition of "inactive."

No one is claiming that Islamist attacks don't occur, 4E. What I am pointing out is that non-Muslims are responsible for more attacks than Muslims. I also question why all Muslims bear the responsibility for the attacks of their members, while not all Christians bear the responsibility for their co-religionists? Doesn't appear fair to me. What about you, 4E, do you think it's fair?

White Supremacy seems to be hitting the radar nowadays. Funny that, hey, 4E?

Well, that's the latest buzzword with the Democrats and national media (pardon the redundancy). But when we consider the two latest shootings, the El Paso killer was a white supremacist and the Dayton killer idolized Antifa, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

But don't expect to hear about the latter. It doesn't further the left's narrative.

You know, America is a pretty fucked up place, 4E. Downunder, both attacks get basically equal time. Perhaps your problem is that you are too close to the action and too selective in what you're reading/seeing? Perhaps you need to get out of your country and look at it from the outside for a change?

To also suggest that we don't need to worry about Christian extremists flies in the face of recent history in the US and other places around the world. In India, one of the largest extremist groups is actually Christian in it's teachings. The largest of course is Hindu. In Europe, Christianity predominates in the extremist stakes. In Africa, again, despite all the publicity, the largest Terrorist groups are guess what? Christian. It is why Rwandans are turning to Islam and why the inhabitants of the Central African Republic live in fear. In the US, various Terrorist groups all run under the banner of "Christianity". Terrorism exists around the world and it has many different hues but the end result is the same, now isn't it?

The end result isn't the same when it comes to the overall body count. That's why the Global Terrorism Index listed the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and ISIS as the deadliest terrorism groups in the recent year I cited. Not a lot of Christian groups on that list.

So, if Christians commit numerous attacks that leave a trail of dead bodies they aren't as important as the Islamists who kill many people, less often? Interesting idea that. Personally, I want ALL Terrorists stopped. What about you 4E? I don't concentrate on one group over all other groups but then, I'm funny like that and not an Islamophobe like you.

And yet most of their casualties are their fellow Muslims, rather than Westerners, 4E. The most number of Terrorist incidents in Europe and the US have been committed by non-Muslims. Funny that, hey?

Not surprising at all to anyone who's spent at least 30 seconds studying the percentage of Americans by religion. When, for instance, Islam represents only about 1 percent of all Americans, why would any thinking person expect there to be a greater number of terrorism incidents by Muslims?

But that's assuming your statement is even accurate, and I don't. Take a look at this list of "terrorism incidents in France" and notice how few recent attacks involved anyone other than Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... _in_France

Whatever the case, let's examine more honest, relevant statistics such as which religion is responsible for the greatest number of 21st century terrorism deaths on U.S. soil in the name of their god. Here we have no rival for Islam, whose body count starts at 3,000 and continues to increase by the year.

(Note the words "in the name of their god," because it's bogus to say, "People of the Christian faith commit murder every day in America." Sure they do -- but the vast majority don't scream, "This one's for Jesus" before pulling the trigger.)

And if you really wanted to be honest, you'd consider the number of terrorist deaths per capita caused by each religion in the name of their god.

See, are selective in what you read, aren't you, 4E. Europe consists of a great deal more than just France. How about Germany? How about Italy? How about Greece, the rest of the Balkans, Eastern Europe? There were recent neo-Nazi attacks in Poland against a Gay Parade which killed, well I'm unable to find the final casaulty country but it was quite a few according to my daughter. You'd just shrug that off, in favour of damning Muslims, no matter how involved they are or not, in Terrorism, right, 4E?

Christians just put on nice military uniforms and kill millions of people for their God, 4E and it's called "war" and that is perfectly OK with you, it seems.

Oh, really? Show me any evidence of a Holy War perpetrated in the name of Jesus by the United States during this or the 20th century.
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Show me a war perpetrated by the US which didn't involve Christians, 4E? What, you can't, how unsurprising. When you have idiots like Sarah Palin declaring the invasion of Iraq a "crusade", when you have Christian Americans joining up to fight the unbelievers, what else are we going to call it, hey?

Heck, I'll make it even easier for you: Show me any evidence of a Christian Holy War perpetrated by a Western power during this or the 20th century. Especially one that resulted in the deaths of "millions of people."

What did both sides declare from the Churches' pulpits in WWI? What did the German Army have enblazoned on their belt buckles? Wasn't it, "Gott Mit Us"? What were the Serbs proclaiming about the Muslims in Bosnia during the last Balkan War?

Your mind seems stuck in the Crusades.

Your mind seems to be ignorant of recent history. 4E

I think you'll find that Christians kill far more Muslims than Muslims kill Christians, 4E. They do it with drones, with laser-guided bombs, missiles, machine guns and assault rifles. Islamists are much more personal about their death dealing it seems. Funny that, hey?

Modern Christians in Western military uniforms don't kill in the name of their religion, so your argument is invalid

.

Now publicly perhaps. However what goes on inside their own minds? Who knows...

Moreover, the armies of Western nations include Christians, Jews, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists and even Muslims. So it's laughable that you would even try to describe Western wartime actions as some kind of Christian Holy War.

I've never denied that, 4E. However, the Christians seem to be fighting for Christianity...

It's a lot more clear-cut on the other side: Find me any Islamic terrorist group that contains anything besides Muslims.

Show me a modern American Army that is less than 90% (at least nominally) Christian, 4E.

Show me a Islamist Terrorist group that contains ordinary, everyday, Muslims rather than Islamists. You do understand the difference between the two, I hope or are you one of those types who believes all Muslims are by nature Terrorists?

[Baronvonrort]

Giving away $400K to a couple of hundred muslims is an incredible waste of taxpayers money.

Why do people think a religion that says the earth is flat is worthy of taxpayers money?

and after that He spread out the earth He made it flat for it had been created before the heaven but without having been spread out;


https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tM ... nguageId=2

Places ruled by Islamic law still have the death penalty for atheists who don't believe in this flat earth garbage and don't believe Muhammad rode a flying donkey called Buraq. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... edirect=on

[The4thEstate]

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

Yeah, when its comes to snuffing out innocent lives in the name of one's god, nobody does it like the religion of Big Mo.

Except Christianity... All in the name of Christ, hey?

How so? The body count puts the lie to your claim.

[brian ross]

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

Yeah, when its comes to snuffing out innocent lives in the name of one's god, nobody does it like the religion of Big Mo.

Except Christianity... All in the name of Christ, hey?

How so? The body count puts the lie to your claim.

Iraqi war deaths - 183,535 – 206,107 civilian deaths from violence - March 2003 to April 2019 - Iraq Body Count project

Afgani war deaths - 111,000 Afghans deaths from violence - 2001–present - Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001–present)

How many Westerners have died from Terrorism again? 3,222 Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks from 9/11/2001 through to 2016. A hundred or more in Europe. A handful in Australia. Seems to be very much going against your argument, 4E.

[Valkie]

Far too much honesty and logic there for islamophiles and apologists to digest.
They only want to point to facts and figures that are total bull shite.

Truth is unknown to Islam, who's teachings say that lying to infidels is mandatory.

Islam, the CULT of DEATH has no place in civilized nations.

Yeah, when its comes to snuffing out innocent lives in the name of one's god, nobody does it like the religion of Big Mo.

Except Christianity... All in the name of Christ, hey?

How so? The body count puts the lie to your claim.

Iraqi war deaths - 183,535 – 206,107 civilian deaths from violence - March 2003 to April 2019 - Iraq Body Count project

Afgani war deaths - 111,000 Afghans deaths from violence - 2001–present - Civilian casualties in the war in Afghanistan (2001–present)

How many Westerners have died from Terrorism again? 3,222 Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks from 9/11/2001 through to 2016. A hundred or more in Europe. A handful in Australia. Seems to be very much going against your argument, 4E.

And how many were killed by muzzos.
It's easy to add numbers and point at the whites
But muzzos kill their own far more than we do.
They like killing.

It's because the follow a...
Sociopath
Lying
Murderer
Self confessed pedophile
Coward of the highest order

What can you expect from muzzos when they worship that kind of shite?