The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:56 pm
And hey, who'd expect a guy who can't differentiate between "your" and "you're" to understand what an analogy is?
brian ross wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 1:05 pm
Ooooh, a spelling flame! Ouch, I am just so burnt, 4E. Really, I am.
Burn you? Gracious sakes, why would I want to do that?
Really, I'm just trying to be helpful, like you are when you take it upon yourself to tell Black Orchid that she picked the wrong word. Because we're all here for each other, right?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:56 pm
I never directly compared Muslims to KKK members; I said Muslims who complain about being called terrorists are LIKE KKK members who complain about being called racists. Because it's up to them to change the factual elements that cause their own bad P.R.
brian ross wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 1:05 pm
Why? They aren't producing the bad PR, the Islamists are. The problem is people like you fail to differentiate between the moderates and the extremists in your Islamophobia. You lump all Muslims together.
Oh, I forgot: Since you invented the Islamist Detector, it's a simple matter to discern which Muslims are susceptible to Sudden Jihad Syndrome and which ones aren't.
Think of all the lives that would have been saved if only your invention had come along before 9/11! Or, for that matter, Easter Sunday 2019.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 11:56 pm
Ah, but it's not such a binary issue as whether or not a Muslim in Western society PARTICIPATES in terrorism. More relevant is how many Muslims embrace attitudes like these:
1. "Only a third of British Muslims would inform the police if they thought that someone they knew is involved with terrorism."
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/euro ... -1.5430023
2. "One in four (27%) British Muslims say they have some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks on Charlie Hebdo in Paris."
https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/bbc- ... slim-poll/
3. "According to Pew in 2011, about 13 percent of American Muslims said they believe that violence in the name of Islam is justifiable."
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
American Muslims are your problem, 4E. I note all your references are several years old. They provide a fine snapshot of Muslim attitudes when they were taken, they do not indicate what Muslims attitudes are now, today. Like all population, attitudes ebb and flow. You should be particularly aware of that, with the election of el Presidente' Trump to the White House being refuted by the majority of the American voters two years later in the mid-term elections...
The first two are from 2015 and 2016. If you've got more recent poll data that shows a marked difference in Muslim attitudes about terrorism, by all means present the links and show me the error of my ways.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Oh, I can count many times higher than just 2 and I don't even have to take my shoes off to do it, either, 4E.
Congratulations, that's progress!
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
However, as we are boiling the argument basically down to the two major groups, guess what? We talk about the two major groups. You want to talk about the dozen or so different sects/denominations/schools within Islamic belief? You want to about dozens and dozens of different Islamist Terrorist Groups around the world? Or do you, like most Islamophobes just want to lump them all together?
I want to talk about the Muslims who condone violence and wouldn't lift a finger to stop it even if they knew about the plot beforehand. Apparently, as the polls indicate, that's a larger number than you'd care to admit.
If you think I exaggerate the threat caused by practitioners of the Religion of Peace, let's consider other refugee groups. How many times have you heard about U.S. terrorism caused by the descendants of immigrant Vietnamese boat people in California, or Cubans in Miami, or Hmongs in Wisconsin? Ever wonder why immigrants from nearly every other ethnic group manage to assimilate into Western society without feeling an irrepressible need to slaughter innocent men, women and children of other faiths in the name of their god?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Not that an Islamophobe would bother to tell the difference, hey?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Not that a dhimmi wannabe would bother to include terrorist sympathizers, hey?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Generally they would just be lumped under the term "Terrorists", 4E. It satisfies me, what about you?
Nope, terrorists carry out the slaughter; sympathizers quietly support it while claiming they had no idea it was going to happen.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
They may have been the most active but they are also a tiny minority compared to the majority of their victims who are also Muslims who don't like the Islamist view on politics and violence.
A "tiny minority" of Islamic terrorists are quite sufficient to commit mass slaughter in Western nations. How many Islamic hijackers did it take to massacre 3,000 people in the Twin Towers? How many Islamic bombers did it take to murder 300 Sri Lankan Christians on Easter Sunday? How many Islamic truck drivers did it take to crush 89 men, women and children in Nice ... and 12 more in Berlin?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
A "tiny minority" are allowed to commit mass murder in Western nations because Western nations by and large allow them to, 4E. You'll note that downunder, we have had a tiny handful of Terrorist attacks and all on an individual basis. Can you guess why? Was it because the moderate Muslims are willing to inform on their Terrorist brethren or was it because our authorities are careful or a combination of both?
The obvious reason that Australia has less Islamic terrorism than, say, France is that Muslims represent 2.6 percent of all Australians and 8.8 percent of all French. If and when the Muslim population of Australia reaches 8.8 percent, we'll take another look at the frequency of terrorism.
After all, when was the last time you heard about terrorism in Hungary and Poland, who had the stones to tell the EU what it could do with its hordes of imported Islamic refugees? As the Polish expression goes, "Not my circus, not my monkeys."
Next ...
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
You are more likely to be struck by lightning than encounter a Terrorist.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Gee, that's so true: It's almost laughable that any Christchurch Muslim would be so paranoid as to fear getting shot in a mosque. I mean, how many times in the course of New Zealand history has THAT ever happened ... like, ONCE?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
New Zealand, like Australia, is a safe place. The Islamophobe (just like you, hey?) who struck in New Zealand came from Australia.
You just said New Zealand and Australia were safe places. That's an interesting definition of "safe."
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
He took advantage of the relatively lax gun laws in New Zealand and he struck an unsuspective, peaceful, moderate Islamic community in Christchurch and murdered two score or more of innocent worshippers. New Zealand had only suffered a single Terrorist incident before that event. Bet you cannot even name it or the perpetrators, hey, 4E?
Nor am I interested, because that has nothing to do with my point -- i.e., Muslim fears of being gunned down following a single anti-Muslim terrorist incident in New Zealand. Here, look at how positively awful it is for Muslims around the world! This from Florida:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... rylink=cpy
"She added that although there is enthusiasm for the Ramadan celebrations, some families are debating whether to go to their mosques to pray and break the daily fast because of security fears. 'It’s not panic, but it’s worrisome,' she noted. 'People feel that if it happened in New Zealand, it can happen here.'”
I would think you'd take it upon yourself to tell them how ridiculous their concerns are, given the minuscule incidence of mass shootings in mosques. Gee, they'd have a better chance of getting struck by lightning, right?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
I'd suggest that if Muslims don't like Australia, they can always take their misogynistic death cult back where it came from. How exactly has any modern Western nation been improved by the religion of beards, burqas, bombings and beheadings?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Which Muslims?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Any Muslims who don't like Australia. Which of the multisyllabic words in my sentence did you not understand?
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
You didn't make that statement, 4E. You said, "if Muslims", without any qualification. Therefore you meant all Muslims, now didn't you? Tsk, tsk. You used a collective noun, rather than a singular or a qualified one. Such poor English but hey, you're a Journalist, aren't you, by trade so it's understandable. Tell me, do you work for the enemy of the American people, the "fake news" or do you work for Brietbart? From your comments below, I'd say the latter.
All Muslims who don't like Australia, yes. No further qualifications are needed in that sentence, wannabe editor.
It's no different from me writing, "If kids feel rebellious toward their parents, they should stop and count their blessings" and you moronically arguing that I was talking about every kid in the world.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
The Terrorists or the peaceful, law-abiding, moderate, well assimilated Muslims who contribute on a daily basis to Australia's economic and social life?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
"Contribute on a daily basis to Australia's economic and social life"? Your own government's 2016 census data reveals that "working-age Muslims, compared to people claiming other religious affiliations, had the lowest workforce participation rate at 57 per cent, followed by Buddhists (70 per cent)."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/ ... ce/9800656
But wait a minute -- the numbers are skewed because so many Muslim women don't work, right? Well ... wrong: "The figures show that the participation rate for Muslim women — at 42 per cent — was the lowest among both sexes ... For men, the picture was similar: Muslim men had the lowest participation rate at 70 per cent."
So it appears that, among all religious groups in Australia, Muslims contribute LEAST to Australia's economic life.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Ah, but you're limiting your comments to only half of what I said, 4E, now aren't you? Tsk, tsk, you really do work for the "fake news", now don't you?
Darn, I must have missed the forum rule that requires me to comment on everything you post, no matter how mundane. Perhaps you could quote it for me.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Yes, 57% of Muslims aren't working. Compared to the general Australian non-Muslim population, it is still a drop in the ocean, 4E.
Except that I wasn't comparing Muslims to the "general Australian non-Muslim population." I was comparing them to other ethnic religious groups, which underscores the fact that they're the most likely to be out of work.
Goodness, what ideal candidates for immigration! Everyone knows that Australians make far more money than they know what to do with, so what a perfect way to dispose of all those government handouts that otherwise would have never been spent.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
It appears you are an Islamophobe, 4E. Piss off back to your Xenophobic, Islamophobic world.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Gosh, you're right, Brian -- I should be more like you in my attitudes toward Islam. From now on, I'm going to join you in supporting suicide bombings for infidels, genital mutilation for all young females, burqas for all adult women, and death for all homosexuals.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Ah, you have evidence that I have ever expressed such opinions, 4E? If you do, please post them here, now.
Well, you're the resident defender of Islam. So one would surmise that you embrace the entire package and aren't into cafeteria Islam.
So if you don't endorse some or all of these common Islamic practices, then by all means state for the record which of these you reject.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Otherwise, I will expect a retraction from you. You appear to believe that making unsubstantiated claims about your opponent is fair game. I wonder why? Is that how Journalists in the US work, Mmmm?
Says the dude who screams, "Islamophobe" at the drop of a hijab.
But it seems that in this case I really bruised your tender feelings. Gosh, how horrible I feel!
Tell you what -- my secretary handles administrative journalistic matters. And her name is Helen Waite. So if you want a retraction from me, you're welcome to go to Helen Waite.
brian ross wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 11:07 am
Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Looks like you're well away with the fairies.
Which ones besides you?