The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 1:16 amThat's about as scientific as saying, "Gee, I work with a couple of Australians who don't like Vegemite, so I can only conclude that Vegemite is not at all popular in Australia."brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm1. I have never encountered a Muslim who refused to shake hands and I have, I don't doubt, encountered more Muslims than you have, 4th.
Which is the exact opposite of what I've been talking about -- i.e., governments (such as Sweden's) that change longstanding national customs WITHOUT giving citizens a vote in the matter.brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm2. Nations change their customs and their attitudes when they feel a need or a desire to. It is a choice of their citizens as individuals. No custom is so sacrosanct that it cannot be changed.
And Sweden is just one of many such examples. German citizens never got to vote on Angela Merkel's delusional plan to take in more than a million Islamic refugees. And the citizens of Minneapolis, Minnesota, never got a referendum on whether to admit thousands of Somali refugees into their community.
What a mind-boggling surprise it was when more than 1,000 German women and young girls got sexually assaulted on New Year's Eve 2016. Meanwhile, Minneapolis is now coping with what even lefty NPR dubs "the Somali-Minneapolis terrorist axis." Not to mention antisemitic hate-monger Ilhan Omar in Congress.
https://www.thelocal.de/20161215/year-a ... ntegration
https://www.npr.org/series/102787287/th ... orist-axis
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pmWhy should I suddenly allow you to change the subject to legal migrants when the OP clearly referred to "Europe's escalating migrant crisis" and made the point that "European countries are being swamped by immigrants/refugees/economic wanderers/asylum seekers" and "just look at the problem on the US southern border"?Who said I wanted a discussion with you? You're the one who jumped in uninvited after I posted a comment, not the other way around.brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
Because it is what I am discussing, not what the OP is discussing, 4th. You want a discussion with me, you have to play by rules that I agree with. Oh, and the last time I checked, "Asylum Seekers" are legal migrants...
If discussing legal migration is the game you want to play, feel free to play with yourself.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pmNow you're wandering off the trail. The subject isn't individuals being asked to change their customs; it's governments conforming to the customs of immigrant minorities.Try reading the OP's original comment, as well as my follow-ups. Most of us have been talking all along about governments changing long-held customs to suit noisy immigrant minorities, with no input from the citizens whose opinions should matter most.brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
Where is that being asked, 4th? Sure it isn't your imagination playing a roll here? An imagination fueled by Islamophobia?
So it appears you're the one who's imagining ... that this is your thread.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pmAs the story reads: "Earlier this week a Swedish labour court ruled that Semantix should pay her 40,000 krona (£3,420) in compensation ... The court heard that Alhajeh 'adheres to an interpretation of Islam that prohibits handshaking with the opposite sex unless it is a close member of the family.'”
Bingo ... a classic example of what the OP and I were talking about: A government court rules against the time-honored customs of a company (and nation) and in favor of the customs of an immigrant minority.Wrong again -- the Muslim woman wasn't ASKING that her customs be observed; she was suing to FORCE them to be observed. And the Swedish court kowtowed like any good politically correct government entity in the once-civilized West.brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
Again, a case of individuals asking that their customs be observed, nothing more.
NAHHHHH ... nothing except a ruling by a government court awarding 40,000 krona to the Muslim woman! Do you really think other Swedish businesses didn't take notice of it when considering their own corporate customs?brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
Nothing that actually suggests that there be an official government position undertaken on this.
But ... but ... but you said, "Nations change their customs and their attitudes when they feel a need or a desire to. It is a choice of their citizens as individuals."brian ross wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 12:01 pmI'd suggest that the Muslim woman was perfectly correct to seek compensation after the job interview was ended because she refused to shake hands. Everybody is different, everybody has different customs. In my previous post I named two other nationalities that don't shake hands. Should they also be penalised? Should hand shaking become an official policy, 4th? Should be all people be forced to conform to your narrow minded viewpoint?
And now you say the Muslim woman "was perfectly correct to seek compensation."
Gee, Brian, which is it? Do the citizens get a choice in whether to change their customs, or do you prefer that immigrant minorities force their new country to implement whatever customs they bring with them?
Heavens, I would be every bit as devastated as if my 4-year-old great-nephew called me a "poopy head."brian ross wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 12:01 pmI have merely suggested a correction as yes, she did use the wrong word. I suppose I could just start calling you a "septic," and you'd be happy with that? Afterall, it is an Australian custom and you wouldn't like to change Australian customs on an Australian website, now would you?
You've done it again! It's "you're" in this case, not "your." (Remember, I'm merely "suggesting a correction," just as you did with Black Orchid!)
So what's your first language, by the way?
Just as long as I don't get fined in an Australian court for failing to adhere to some misogynistic 7th-century Islamic custom that you undoubtedly endorse in the name of diversity. Hopefully I wouldn't get hauled in for not slapping my wife whenever she leaves the house without a burqa!brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
You will be able to shake hands though, except of course with the people from cultures which don't...
Right -- you're trying to hijack the thread from those of us who've been sticking to the original topic.brian ross wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:24 pm
We aren't discussing illegal immigrants, 4e. Well, I'm not. I'm not sure what you're talking about...
Whoa ... how can a multicultural disciple like you mock Sweden when you're clearly thrilled that one of its courts awarded money to a Muslim woman who refused to shake hands?brian ross wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:57 pmSweden always leads the way, hey, 4e? How about say, Australia or Canada or Japan or China or India or Brazil or Argentina or New Zealand? Do they count more than lonely little Sweden?
Besides, I've already given you other examples, such as Merkel's brilliant decision to admit 1 million Muslims ... and the resulting New Year's Eve wave of sexual assaults on more than 1,000 girls and women in public places.
Admit it, you heard the news and were secretly jealous that you missed the gropefest! It's what uncovered infidel sluts deserve anyway, right?
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pmSpeaking of learning to read, where did you get the idea that migrants/asylum seekers were citizens?If international law declares all asylum seekers legal, then the technical term for it in my country is "toilet paper."brian ross wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:57 pmBecause they have no prefacing word to their classification, 4e. They are not Illegal Migrants or Illegal Asylum Seekers (indeed, you cannot have according to International Law an illegal Asylum Seeker). They are just ordinary, everyday, legal migrants or Asylum Seekers. You do understand the difference? Or has America abandoned the use of common English terms completely?
There's nothing "legal" about foreign nationals who sneak across the U.S. border. Sure, they can claim asylum, but that doesn't grant them the right to residency. Here, try spending 10 seconds reading up on the way U.S. law works:
"What Happens to Asylum Seekers Arriving at a U.S. Border?
"Noncitizens who are encountered by, or present themselves to, a U.S. official at a port of entry or near the border are subject to expedited removal."
That's a joke, right? No, considering who posted it, it probably isn't.brian ross wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:57 pmI wasn't aware that Migrants or Asylum seekers were a financial burden on anyone, 4e. Would you care to explain to us how Migrants or Asylum Seekers are a financial burden on the US Economy? I was under the impression that Migrants or Asylum Seekers came to a new country to settle and and to work there, supporting themselves, like all other long-term residents or Citizens (you do understand the term "long-term residents"?).
I wouldn't want you to break a fingernail trying to engage in any actual research or anything, so I'll throw you a bone:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/refu ... e-medicaid
"On a yearly average, it is $1.8 billion, or $15,900 per refugee. Included in that are enormous refugee resettlement costs such as $867 million in welfare, housing assistance and education."
Other than that, migrants and asylum seekers are no burden whatsoever.
Oh, sure -- that shiny Nobel Prize in Economics that sits on your desk attests to your expertise in U.S. economic matters.brian ross wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:57 pmOf course you realise that el Presidente Trump's efforts are all short-term, rather than longer term growth, don't you, 4e?
brian ross wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:57 pmNumbers? Oh, it all boils down to numbers does it, 4th? How many are allowed in now? How many want to enter the US? Answer those questions and I will provide an answer to yours.The4thEstate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:08 pm"How many want to enter the U.S.?"
Millions, maybe billions.Ask an unspecific question, get an unspecific answer. If you want an exact count, try going house to house around the world and tallying up the yes answers. I'll wait.
The bottom line, which the resident moron will never, ever concede, is that wherever the dregs of humanity migrate
to, they will always demand that the "locals" assimilate with them...
They are always the ones that demand customs change to suit them, so as not to "offend" them..
Continually, all over the world the dregs of humanity demand changes for their own benefit, not for the
benefit of the "locals"
And for this we are called "islamophobic"...not that I really give a toss....
The six pillars of islam are multiculturalism, political correctness, islamophobia, dhimmitude, victimization
and taqiyaa...and they use every one wherever possible...
Someone please give me an example of how the dregs of humanity have made a change in attempt to assimilate..
Someone please give me an example of how the dregs of humanity have changed their ideology to fit in with
western civilization...
Someone...anyone.......