Aboriginal Australia

[Nicole]

Inter-generational trama in the Aboriginal population is whiteys fault, Reboot. Brian and I are agreed on the history, just not the fix. I don’t believe throwing them a lazy $30 billion a year is doing jack shit, and I’ve searched - I can’t see the programs this money is being spent on.

[The Reboot]

Inter-generational trama in the Aboriginal population is whiteys fault, Reboot. Brian and I are agreed on the history, just not the fix. I don’t believe throwing them a lazy $30 billion a year is doing jack shit, and I’ve searched - I can’t see the programs this money is being spent on.

Yes, the "whitey" of past events. Individuals of white skin from "back then". I don't see the logic in blaming or holding ordinary Australians of *today* accountable when they didn't commit the crimes.
Should we also punish immigrants for those events as well? Considering they have come to our country and reap the benefits of past "ill gains". Or do they get a free pass because "culture"?

I see a pattern in government thinking they can fix problems by simply shifting some money around. "Oh, problem solved! We have chucked 30 billion dollars towards x."
Free handouts in the sense of cars and housing, and welfare spent on alcohol and such at the expense of the taxpayer? That isnt helping. However, in some regions - particularly remote areas, there are programs that employ Abos to be rangers and look after the country. I see that as a positive step, it gives them a purpose in life that fits with their origins and what they lost, so forth.

Intergenerational trauma? Well the example I am going to put forth is: I once knew a chick who had been raped by her brother. When she finally had the guts to tell her mum, mother confessed that she too was raped by her brother. Seeing as it's "family" uncle nor brother was ever held accountable for their actions because the women were afraid to break the facade of a picture perfect family.

Moral of the story, and my main point in all of this - yes, we experience trauma and challenges in our life and its something that is inflicted upon us by others and our environment. In the sense of Aboriginals it happened on a mass scale. Things like sexual abuse, rape and domestic violence I dont make any excuses for. You are not your past - you make your own future. You cant blame the white man from yesteryear for fucking your underage daughter or beating your wife to a pulp today.

Also you can lead a horse to water but you cant make the horse drink. Yes, we can offer the Abos some help but its up to them to help themselves. This coddling and encouragement of victimizing is only making the situation worse.

[Nicole]

Inter-generational trama in the Aboriginal population is whiteys fault, Reboot. Brian and I are agreed on the history, just not the fix. I don’t believe throwing them a lazy $30 billion a year is doing jack shit, and I’ve searched - I can’t see the programs this money is being spent on.

Yes, the "whitey" of past events. Individuals of white skin from "back then". I don't see the logic in blaming or holding ordinary Australians of *today* accountable when they didn't commit the crimes.
Should we also punish immigrants for those events as well? Considering they have come to our country and reap the benefits of past "ill gains". Or do they get a free pass because "culture"?

I see a pattern in government thinking they can fix problems by simply shifting some money around. "Oh, problem solved! We have chucked 30 billion dollars towards x."
Free handouts in the sense of cars and housing, and welfare spent on alcohol and such at the expense of the taxpayer? That isnt helping. However, in some regions - particularly remote areas, there are programs that employ Abos to be rangers and look after the country. I see that as a positive step, it gives them a purpose in life that fits with their origins and what they lost, so forth.

Intergenerational trauma? Well the example I am going to put forth is: I once knew a chick who had been raped by her brother. When she finally had the guts to tell her mum, mother confessed that she too was raped by her brother. Seeing as it's "family" uncle nor brother was ever held accountable for their actions because the women were afraid to break the facade of a picture perfect family.

Moral of the story, and my main point in all of this - yes, we experience trauma and challenges in our life and its something that is inflicted upon us by others and our environment. In the sense of Aboriginals it happened on a mass scale. Things like sexual abuse, rape and domestic violence I dont make any excuses for. You are not your past - you make your own future. You cant blame the white man from yesteryear for fucking your underage daughter or beating your wife to a pulp today.

Also you can lead a horse to water but you cant make the horse drink. Yes, we can offer the Abos some help but its up to them to help themselves. This coddling and encouragement of victimizing is only making the situation worse.

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you say Reboot. This is why I liked SRAs (http://www.reo.net.au/wp-content/upload ... ements.pdf). The left hated them because they put responsibility onto Aboriginal communities. The point is, they were working.

Of course, the ALP got in and bye-bye SRAs. And now I honestly don’t know what we’re doing. Brian says we’re “closing the gap”. I think this is code for throwing lots of money at the problem and hoping this will fix it.

[brian ross]

I actually wrote a long response to your question about intergenerational problems, "Nicole" but it seems the website ate it, along with other responses.

This is why I liked SRAs (http://www.reo.net.au/wp-content/upload ... ements.pdf). The left hated them because they put responsibility onto Aboriginal communities. The point is, they were working.

Were they? I suppose it all depends on a given value of "working". The Left is an airy-fairy term at the best of times. I know many indigenous communities disliked them because they correctly pointed out, white communities weren't require to make any promises before they received government funding for anything, whereas it appears black communities did. Rather unfair, don't you think?

Of course, the ALP got in and bye-bye SRAs. And now I honestly don’t know what we’re doing. Brian says we’re “closing the gap”. I think this is code for throwing lots of money at the problem and hoping this will fix it.

In part I agree. However, the lack of funding indigenous health and welfare have received in the past does need to be made amends for, "Nicole". 30 billion sounds about right to put right over 150 years of neglect. A large slice of that is being eaten up in bureaucracy - you know the devil that killed ATSIC? The devil that the Tories demanded was required to account for all the monies being spent. Well, it looks like its now biting them on the bum as well. Bureaucrats to account for everything down to the last cent. I don't think you'd like it any way, would you, "Nicole"?

I suppose we could go back to the good ol' ways, right? Indigenous peoples living in dirt floored shacks without running water or even bark humpies. Now they get tiled roofs and brick walls and still no running water... Oh, well, some improvement there, right?

[Valkie]

And all of it free and gratis

Yet rather than work for themselves, they sit on their bums with their hands out.

I went with an abbo mate to his community several years ago.

What I saw, what we saw, was disgusting

A community was built for them
Brand new houses
A sewage system well away from their settlement
Piped in water and electricity

Sitting 5 years (as my mate told me) it may have been less
The houses had no front doors, destroyed and burned
Several had been ripped apart for fire wood.
The sewage system, not being maintained as they were shown, was overflowing and useless.
A water pipe pumped water continually onto the ground, broken and never fixed.
The electricity had been cut off because of tge danger all tge exposed wiring presented.

All they had to do was look after these gifts and they could have lived indefinitely in this community in comfort.

Instead, laziness took over and they destroyed it.

You just can't help some people.

So why bother trying?

[Nicole]

@ Brian

I actually wrote a long response to your question about intergenerational problems, "Nicole" but it seems the website ate it, along with other responses.

Frustrating for you, but on the other hard it saves me from reading a bunch of progressive left drivel.

Mistress Nicole wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:08 am
This is why I liked SRAs (http://www.reo.net.au/wp-content/upload ... ements.pdf). The left hated them because they put responsibility onto Aboriginal communities. The point is, they were working.

Were they? I suppose it all depends on a given value of "working". The Left is an airy-fairy term at the best of times. I know many indigenous communities disliked them because they correctly pointed out, white communities weren't require to make any promises before they received government funding for anything, whereas it appears black communities did. Rather unfair, don't you think?

White communities pay taxes, Brian. They also move to where there is work, and don’t live in Yalata. Furthermore, white communities tend to take care of their assets (private such as houses, and public such as community swimming pools) because they worked to earn them.

If you don’t earn what you receive, you don’t respect it. Making aboriginal communities wash their children’s faces daily, or attend school 80% of the time, in order to receive a resource, makes them earn and feel proud of it. It furthermore teaches good habits. Finally, it was the elders who were consulted about what the particular community “needed”. It’s a win-win. Course the ALP didn’t see it that way, and the aboriginals continue to trash everything whitey gives them.

Of course, the ALP got in and bye-bye SRAs. And now I honestly don’t know what we’re doing. Brian says we’re “closing the gap”. I think this is code for throwing lots of money at the problem and hoping this will fix it.

In part I agree. However, the lack of funding indigenous health and welfare have received in the past does need to be made amends for, "Nicole". 30 billion sounds about right to put right over 150 years of neglect. A large slice of that is being eaten up in bureaucracy - you know the devil that killed ATSIC? The devil that the Tories demanded was required to account for all the monies being spent. Well, it looks like its now biting them on the bum as well. Bureaucrats to account for everything down to the last cent. I don't think you'd like it any way, would you, "Nicole"?

What I would like to see, is SRAs returned. It requires a bi-partisan, long term vision which neither side of politics is capable of.

[Neferti]

I know, personally, of somebody who went to the ANU and got the Degree FREE! How? She suddenly found out that a Great Grandmother was part Aboriginal and so she could tick the box. She is now working as a Teacher in Canberra. White, blue eyed and blonde lady in her early 40s. Amazing, isn't it?

[brian ross]

I know, personally, of somebody who went to the ANU and got the Degree FREE! How? She suddenly found out that a Great Grandmother was part Aboriginal and so she could tick the box. She is now working as a Teacher in Canberra. White, blue eyed and blonde lady in her early 40s. Amazing, isn't it?

You appear to be suffering from the politics of jealousy, Neferti. Poor, poor, you.

Despite what you may believe, Neferti, there is more to being an Indigenous Australian than just ticking a box. The box is there for statistical purposes only. It does not confer any greater powers or any greater benefits. To be counted as an Indigenous Australian requires acceptance from other Indigenous Australians who identify you as being indigenous. So, that is a hurdle that most people who you describe as "faux Indigenes" cannot mount.

[Valkie]

Couple of beers will get you that recognition every day.

[Nicole]

I know, personally, of somebody who went to the ANU and got the Degree FREE! How? She suddenly found out that a Great Grandmother was part Aboriginal and so she could tick the box. She is now working as a Teacher in Canberra. White, blue eyed and blonde lady in her early 40s. Amazing, isn't it?

You appear to be suffering from the politics of jealousy, Neferti. Poor, poor, you.

Despite what you may believe, Neferti, there is more to being an Indigenous Australian than just ticking a box. The box is there for statistical purposes only. It does not confer any greater powers or any greater benefits. To be counted as an Indigenous Australian requires acceptance from other Indigenous Australians who identify you as being indigenous. So, that is a hurdle that most people who you describe as "faux Indigenes" cannot mount.

Re the bold, you don't? As you seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about Black Orchid allegedly living on the North Shore.