China's Grab for Australia

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Re: China's Grab for Australia

Post by Rorschach » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:40 am

The only thing stopping China or any country with Imperial aspirations from taking us over is the US and a fear that they and their allies would go to war against them. We have no nukes but we could have. No amount of Australian ground troops armed with pop-guns will deter the People's Army from over running us, they have a vast numerical advantage.

We need a technological advantage just for starters and we have not kept up in that area of defence.
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Re: China's Grab for Australia

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:56 pm

China wants to rule the world ... it seems they think it's their turn.
But they know they don't have a chance until they attain technological superiority, so are engaged in technology transfer via purchasing, co-option or outright theft. China doesn't recognise patent rights or design registration, so stealing others' work is quite acceptable, which is quite understandable in a regime reliant on domestic deception and slavery .... read 'The Gulag Archipelago' (about communist Russia) and you'll get the picture.

My father bought the manufacturing rights to several wheels released on Aussie cars - Bathurst Globe on GTHO Phase 3 Falcons, GTS wheel on Monaros, and Sprintmaster on Toranas. The Bathurst Globe is a cast magnesium and aluminium alloy wheel generally refered to as a "mag".
When I worked for him (before I had mag wheel repair business) we manufactured composite (bolt together) custom wheels, but he didn't update the designs so lost market share.
When trying to have dies (metal molds) made for the Bathurst Globe so he could manufacture locally he got mucked around by toolmaking businesses, and Chinese were bidding for the job, so he let them do it. The wheels were fine, he sold them and did well out of it.

Later on he had another project he wanted to do but the rims became unavailable since an Earthquake in Mexico. He went to a trade fair in Los Angeles and approached a stall for Chinese wheel manufacturers. They claimed to be interested but when he tried to follow it up back here in OZ they ignored him. So he figured he just wasn't big enough for them to maintain an interest.

Another wheel manufacturer Tony Simmons of the once very popular 'Simmons Wheels' (at one stage in the 90s NRMA wouldn't insure a car with Simmons Wheels on it because it would get stolen. The Lebos adore Simmons Wheels). Tony got some good contracts .. like exclusive rights to wheels for a particular race car series in the US.
Anyway Tony got some wheels made in China, and shortly afterwards copies from China with their brand on them appeared on our market.

So the lesson here is, they'll save you money in the short term but put you out of business in the long term.

Now it just so happens I'm a bit of an inventor and designer myself - I've learnt to keep my ideas secret, so no details, sorry - and fruit picking is hopefully just a temporary means to an ends. I'm planning to eventually go back in to business - my own wheel designs to start with and possibly a couple of original inventions - and I won't be dealing with the Chinese in any way. I won't buy from them, I won't sell to them and I probably won't be pleasant to them either.

One man, one business, so what? you say ... and you'd be right.
But if everyone ... and I suspect many more other than Clive Palmer will, it will eventually impact on China's economy which is still heavily reliant on manufacturing (of others' ideas).

Even if Great Wall utes and cars were decent vehicles I wouldn't buy one because it's Chinese.
A mate was advising I get a Huwaii phone, claiming they can't be hacked.
I'm told they've got a good reputation, but I still won't get one because it's Chinese.

China is using debt to manipulate small countries, and for a while that will be effective, but eventually the impact will turn those countries against their debtor and they'll deliberately default. So geopolitically that's what we should work on - getting the indebted to tell China "Your money's not good enough".
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Re: China's Grab for Australia

Post by cods » Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:56 pm

well done to you yogi may all your dreams come true....trouble is can you write off the Chinese seems to m e they are the only ones able to produce things in bulk...as you know the aussie market is really too small to just invest in....and to market overseas you need lots of stock to be available NOW...knowing how impatient we have all become....I agree they have systematically destroyed our manufacturing and probably the rest of the worlds....not sure we can stop it now though..

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Re: China's Grab for Australia

Post by Neferti » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:00 pm

cods wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:56 pm
well done to you yogi may all your dreams come true....trouble is can you write off the Chinese seems to m e they are the only ones able to produce things in bulk...as you know the aussie market is really too small to just invest in....and to market overseas you need lots of stock to be available NOW...knowing how impatient we have all become....I agree they have systematically destroyed our manufacturing and probably the rest of the worlds....not sure we can stop it now though..
China can produce "things" in bulk because they pay their workers a pittance!

Australian wages are far too high to produce anything that is reasonable in price.
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