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Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:09 pm

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a US government-wide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and healthcare, recognising gender largely as an individual's choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. The policy prompted fights over bathrooms, dormitories, single-sex programs and other arenas where gender was once seen as a simple concept. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

Now the US Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable”. The agency's proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by the Times. Any dispute about one's sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

“Sex means a person's status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person's birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person's sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million Americans who have opted to recognise themselves – surgically or otherwise – as a gender other than the one they were born into.

“This takes a position that what the medical community understands about their patients – what people understand about themselves – is irrelevant because the government disagrees,” said Catherine Lhamon, who led the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights in the Obama administration and helped write the transgender guidance that is being undone.

The move would be the most significant of a series of manoeuvres large and small, to exclude the population from civil rights protections and roll back the Obama administration's more fluid recognition of gender identity. The Trump administration has sought to bar transgender people from serving in the military and has legally challenged civil rights protections for the group embedded in the nation's health care law.

Several agencies have withdrawn Obama-era policies that recognised gender identity in schools, prisons and homeless shelters. The administration even tried to remove questions about gender identity from a 2020 census survey and a national survey of elderly citizens.

For the last year, the Department of Health and Human Services has privately argued that the term “sex” was never meant to include gender identity or even homosexuality, and that the lack of clarity allowed the Obama administration to wrongfully extend civil rights protections to people who should not have them.

Roger Severino, director of the Office for Civil Rights at the department, declined to answer detailed questions about the memo or his role in inter-agency discussions about how to revise the definition of sex under Title IX.

But officials at the department confirmed that their push to limit the definition of sex for the purpose of federal civil rights laws resulted from their own reading of the laws and from a court decision.

“Transgender people are frightened," said Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign, which presses for the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. “At every step where the administration has had the choice, they have opted to turn their back on transgender people.”

The Department of Health and Human Services has called on the “big four” agencies that enforce some part of Title IX — the Departments of Education, Justice, Health and Human Services, and Labor — to adopt its definition in regulations that will establish uniformity in the government and increase the likelihood that courts will accept it.

The definition is integral to two proposed rules currently under review at the White House: one from the Education Department deals with complaints of sex discrimination at schools and colleges receiving federal financial assistance; the other, from health and human services, deals with health programs and activities that receive federal funds or subsidies. Both regulations are expected to be released this northern autumn, and would then be open for public comment, typically for 60 days. The agencies would consider the comments before issuing final rules with the force of law – both of which could include the new gender definition.

Civil rights groups have been meeting with federal officials in recent weeks to argue against the proposed definition, which has divided career and political appointees across the administration. Some officials hope that health and human services will at least rein in the most extreme parts, such as the call for genetic testing to determine sex.

After more than a year of discussions, health and human services is preparing to formally present the new definition to the Justice Department before the end of the year, Trump administration officials say. If the Justice Department decides that the change is legal, the new definition can be approved and enforced in Title IX statutes, and across government agencies.

The Justice Department declined to comment on the draft health and human services proposal. The Justice Department has not yet been asked to render a formal legal opinion, according to an official there who was not authorised to speak about the process.

Health and human services officials said they were only abiding by court orders, referring to the rulings of Judge Reed O'Connor of the US District Court in Fort Worth, Texas, a George W. Bush appointee who has held that “Congress did not understand 'sex' to include 'gender identity'.”

A 2016 ruling by O'Connor concerned a rule that was adopted to carry out a civil rights statute embedded in the Affordable Care Act. The provision prohibits discrimination based on race, colour, national origin, sex, age or disability in “any health program or activity” that receives federal financial assistance.

But in recent discussions with the administration, civil rights groups, including Lambda Legal, have pointed to other court cases. In a legal memo presented to the administration, a coalition of civil rights groups wrote: “The overwhelming majority of courts to address the question since the most relevant Supreme Court precedent in 1998 have held that anti-transgender bias constitutes sex discrimination under federal laws like Title IX.”

Indeed, the health and human services proposal was prompted, in part, by pro-transgender court decisions in the past year that upheld the Obama administration's position.

In their memo, health and human services officials wrote that “courts and plaintiffs are racing to get decisions” ahead of any rule-making, because of the lack of a stand-alone definition.

“Courts and the previous administration took advantage of this circumstance to include gender identity and sexual orientation in a multitude of agencies, and under a multitude of laws,” the memo states. Doing so “led to confusion and negative policy consequences in health care, education and other federal contexts”.
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Finally some sense! No matter how you see yourself there are only TWO genders. Not 72 :roll:

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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by brian ross » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:50 pm

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Homophobia writ large, hey?
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:58 pm

It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences nor homophobia Brian. It's a pretty simple concept really. If you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female.

You can be attracted to whichever sex you like, as your life progresses, but facts are facts. You are born male or female!

To support 72 gender variations is insanity. Are you insane Brian?

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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by Rorschach » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:58 pm

I can answer that.... :clap
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by brian ross » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:38 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:58 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences nor homophobia Brian. It's a pretty simple concept really. If you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female.

You can be attracted to whichever sex you like, as your life progresses, but facts are facts. You are born male or female!

To support 72 gender variations is insanity. Are you insane Brian?
I am not insane, BO. It appears Trump is though. Being born with a penis does not automatically make you a male. Hermaphrodites were once considered a myth, Now they are recognised as real - people born with both types of genitals. What do you call them? They are what they believe they are. Why is everybody so intent on trying to shoe-horn people into one gender or the other? It seems like a pointless exercise to me. People can and are what they want to be, BO. Any effort to force them to be something they don't want to be will end up with a lot of very upset and ultimately broken people. Is that something you revel in?
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by sprintcyclist » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:11 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:58 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences nor homophobia Brian. It's a pretty simple concept really. If you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female.

You can be attracted to whichever sex you like, as your life progresses, but facts are facts. You are born male or female!

To support 72 gender variations is insanity. Are you insane Brian?
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by boxy » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:28 am

Stop being different, people! That's not what American freedom™ is about.
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:48 am

brian ross wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:38 pm
Why is everybody so intent on trying to shoe-horn people into one gender or the other?
So precious petals will understand the world doesnt revolve around them and prevent marxist dickheads jumping on the backs of every tiny minority social difference and riding them into the dirt, demanding they be catered for by fucking with existing society and functioning social norms.

You do no minority any favours.
Hopefully the next move will be to classify your kind as an enemy of the state and humankind.
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by Valkie » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:48 am

brian ross wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:38 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:58 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences nor homophobia Brian. It's a pretty simple concept really. If you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female.

You can be attracted to whichever sex you like, as your life progresses, but facts are facts. You are born male or female!

To support 72 gender variations is insanity. Are you insane Brian?
I am not insane, BO. It appears Trump is though. Being born with a penis does not automatically make you a male. Hermaphrodites were once considered a myth, Now they are recognised as real - people born with both types of genitals. What do you call them? They are what they believe they are. Why is everybody so intent on trying to shoe-horn people into one gender or the other? It seems like a pointless exercise to me. People can and are what they want to be, BO. Any effort to force them to be something they don't want to be will end up with a lot of very upset and ultimately broken people. Is that something you revel in?
Hmmmm

Yes it does
If you are born with a penis you are in fact a male
If you are born without one and have a vagina you are in fact a female
This my twisted little friend is an absolute fact.

If you FEEL like a woman, even though you have a penis, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that you are a male.
This stupidity of being what you FEEL is mental illness.

Next thing the loonies will say is that if you FEEL like a horse, you are a horse.
Or if you FEEL like a dog, you are a dog.

Sexual orientation aside, there are males or females, all the great is mental illness.

It's about time someone sorted these mentally ill individual out.
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Re: Trump's Transgender Sense!

Post by sprintcyclist » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:43 am

Valkie wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:48 am
brian ross wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:38 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:58 pm
It has absolutely nothing to do with sexual preferences nor homophobia Brian. It's a pretty simple concept really. If you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female.

You can be attracted to whichever sex you like, as your life progresses, but facts are facts. You are born male or female!

To support 72 gender variations is insanity. Are you insane Brian?
I am not insane, BO. It appears Trump is though. Being born with a penis does not automatically make you a male. Hermaphrodites were once considered a myth, Now they are recognised as real - people born with both types of genitals. What do you call them? They are what they believe they are. Why is everybody so intent on trying to shoe-horn people into one gender or the other? It seems like a pointless exercise to me. People can and are what they want to be, BO. Any effort to force them to be something they don't want to be will end up with a lot of very upset and ultimately broken people. Is that something you revel in?
Hmmmm

Yes it does
If you are born with a penis you are in fact a male
If you are born without one and have a vagina you are in fact a female
This my twisted little friend is an absolute fact.

If you FEEL like a woman, even though you have a penis, it has absolutely no bearing on the fact that you are a male.
This stupidity of being what you FEEL is mental illness.

Next thing the loonies will say is that if you FEEL like a horse, you are a horse.
Or if you FEEL like a dog, you are a dog.

Sexual orientation aside, there are males or females, all the great is mental illness.

It's about time someone sorted these mentally ill individual out.


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