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Re: Socialism

Post by sprintcyclist » Mon May 21, 2018 3:16 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Socialism is nothing more than a neo-poofy euphemism for communism, which is a thief regime, or kleptocracy if you prefer.
That is where you penalise the industrious for being successful, and reward the inept for being slothful and incompetent.
Their current modus operandi is to cripple industry/businesses with unwarranted costs and compliance regimes and normalise the perverted, so their is no incentive to generate income and common sense is prohibited.

What these moonbat pinkos fail to realise is that by killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, they are ultimately cutting their own throats.
When the major industries decide it's not worth operating in this country any more, union membership (except for public servants) will dry up because small business employees and the self employed don't join union extortion groups. Then when the remainder of unionised work force occupations are mechanised by robots the compulsory superannuation ponzi will implode.

While I refrain from participation in share market gambling myself, I have to agree with Chris Corrigan's comments in the Weekend Australian concerning quotas for women on public company boards ... his sentiment (and mine) being that appointing women because their women as opposed to skill or merit breeds corruption through incompetence.

I also note he has a similar rationale to mine on such matters ... that it's not worth wasting energy fighting a lost cause, so just quit/resign and let it fail on its own lack of merit.

' ................. his sentiment (and mine) being that appointing women because they're women as opposed to skill or merit breeds corruption through incompetence ........ '

Yes, and insulting to women, you would think.
Unless, women are motivated by lazy greed.
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Re: Socialism

Post by mellie » Mon May 21, 2018 3:23 pm

Totally agree.

I personally would find it degrading to be employed on account of my gender alone, rather than skill.

This said, there is arguably a degree of masochism and misogyny in some male dominated workplaces.

Politics to begin with.

So many female politicians have been berated on account of their not having children.


Why?


We don't bang on about male politicians not having offspring.

There's definitely a gender bias, but I'm not convinced purposefully placing people in job's according to gender or ethnicity is the real solution here.

It's social attitudes that need to change, this only serves to further fuel sexism and bias in the workplace.
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Re: Socialism

Post by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Mon May 21, 2018 6:48 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Outlaw Yogi wrote:Socialism is nothing more than a neo-poofy euphemism for communism, which is a thief regime, or kleptocracy if you prefer.
That is where you penalise the industrious for being successful, and reward the inept for being slothful and incompetent.
Their current modus operandi is to cripple industry/businesses with unwarranted costs and compliance regimes and normalise the perverted, so their is no incentive to generate income and common sense is prohibited.

What these moonbat pinkos fail to realise is that by killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, they are ultimately cutting their own throats.
When the major industries decide it's not worth operating in this country any more, union membership (except for public servants) will dry up because small business employees and the self employed don't join union extortion groups. Then when the remainder of unionised work force occupations are mechanised by robots the compulsory superannuation ponzi will implode.

While I refrain from participation in share market gambling myself, I have to agree with Chris Corrigan's comments in the Weekend Australian concerning quotas for women on public company boards ... his sentiment (and mine) being that appointing women because their women as opposed to skill or merit breeds corruption through incompetence.

I also note he has a similar rationale to mine on such matters ... that it's not worth wasting energy fighting a lost cause, so just quit/resign and let it fail on its own lack of merit.

' ................. his sentiment (and mine) being that appointing women because they're women as opposed to skill or merit breeds corruption through incompetence ........ '

Yes, and insulting to women, you would think.
Unless, women are motivated by lazy greed.
All systems corrupt: you can't tell me I'm wrong! I actually agree with the capital "L"iberal party on this!!!

((Don't go into greed,... of course women are just as greedy as men!))
Stop making things worse! :pope

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Re: Socialism

Post by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Mon May 21, 2018 6:50 pm

mellie wrote:Totally agree.

I personally would find it degrading to be employed on account of my gender alone, rather than skill.

This said, there is arguably a degree of masochism and misogyny in some male dominated workplaces.

Politics to begin with.

So many female politicians have been berated on account of their not having children.


Why?


We don't bang on about male politicians not having offspring.

There's definitely a gender bias, but I'm not convinced purposefully placing people in job's according to gender or ethnicity is the real solution here.

It's social attitudes that need to change, this only serves to further fuel sexism and bias in the workplace.
yay, say nothing!


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Re: Socialism

Post by brian ross » Tue May 22, 2018 3:50 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Socialism is nothing more than a neo-poofy euphemism for communism, which is a thief regime, or kleptocracy if you prefer.
You may prefer to believe that but you are mistaken if you do. There are considerable differences between modern Communism and modern Socialism. Communism is imposed on a society, invariably by a small vanguard revolutionary group. Socialism is invariably a voluntary movement which a society subscribes to. Both rely on the view that the means of production is state controlled however, with differing results. Cuba was very much initially a Socialist society after Fidel came to power in 1960. However, he turned to Communism as his dependence on the fUSSR and then the PRC increased as the West turned their backs on his regime under American leadership. American in it's Cold War obsessions could not cope with the idea that the Cubans had had enough of being exploited by the Mafia and big American corporations.

Downunder, we developed out our own flavour of Socialism where the State intervened heavily in the economy for the betterment of the people. The Government took over QANTAS, created TAA, created the Australia shipping line and controlled the railways, health and so on, as well as the Commonwealth Bank. This was primarily because the corporations believed they couldn't turn a profit from the Australian people. So, to provide the services the people needed, the Governments stepped in.
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Re: Socialism

Post by mellie » Tue May 22, 2018 4:50 pm

Neferti~ wrote:Got this via email. Thought I would share.
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that, until recently, he had never failed a single student before but, more recently, had failed an entire class.
That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class based on Obama's plan". Substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by everyone here - all grades will be averaged, meaning everyone will receive the same grade. No one will fail, but no one will receive an A....

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little
had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and
name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because, when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great. But when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read, and all are applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Exactly. My uni was socialist.

Grades were scaled to gloss the university's pristine image.

I don't agree with exam scaling.

Student union movement was heavy there also.
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Re: Socialism

Post by Malcolm_hates_your_kids » Tue May 22, 2018 5:33 pm

mellie wrote:
Neferti~ wrote:Got this via email. Thought I would share.
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that, until recently, he had never failed a single student before but, more recently, had failed an entire class.
That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class based on Obama's plan". Substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by everyone here - all grades will be averaged, meaning everyone will receive the same grade. No one will fail, but no one will receive an A....

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little
had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and
name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because, when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great. But when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read, and all are applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Exactly. My uni was socialist.

Grades were scaled to gloss the university's pristine image.

I don't agree with exam scaling.

Student union movement was heavy there also.
lol :PC
Stop making things worse! :pope

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Re: Socialism

Post by mellie » Tue May 22, 2018 8:50 pm

As are most unis malc, including Monash.

Ran by redsocs.

Aka. Communists under the guise of socialists under the guise of helpful student union thugs and their student representative.

Monash = Slytherin.

Worst for turning out sickos for some strange reason.
Probably a deviant sub-culture.

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Re: Socialism

Post by BigP » Wed May 23, 2018 9:12 am

mellie wrote:As are most unis malc, including Monash.

Ran by redsocs.

Aka. Communists under the guise of socialists under the guise of helpful student union thugs and their student representative.

Monash = Slytherin.

Worst for turning out sickos for some strange reason.
Probably a deviant sub-culture.

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My daughter gets a bit of stick at Auckland University for her right leaning views..

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Re: Socialism

Post by mellie » Wed May 23, 2018 9:28 am

Leftys have infiltrated our educational institutions. I'm refreshing at ACU Ballarat , so waiting to see if this is different to USYD.

Hoping.

:Hi

Otherwise, I'll probably get some stick too.
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