Consequences of our right to offend

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Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:37 pm

Do we have the right to deliberately offend without consequences?

I have been giving this some thought. I personally believe that freedom of speech and our right to say what we want is to be protected, that is, the state should not interfere.

however, there are laws like libel, slander ...etc to provide legal recourse to those damaged by untruth. However.... money doesn't always cut it.

I also believe that people have a choice not to be offended. However if the attack in very personal... like stating my mother wears army boots I maybe offended. If I was pissed off I may react and you may get a punch in the face. This would be considered acceptable in some circle of our culture.

Deliberate provocation over a period of time is recognised under law and is seen as a mitigating circumstance for any illegal action.

Now... the pope has come out...
The Pope denounced “provocateurs” who mocked religion yesterday and said that they could expect to receive a punch, as he weighed into the aftermath of the Paris terror attacks.

Pope Francis criticised the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo for insulting Islam and said that he understood why Muslims reacted with violent anger.

He even threw a mock punch to illustrate a justifiable response from people who felt that their faith had been offended. “There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others,” he said. “They are provocateurs.” Such people could expect a reaction, he said.
Makes me think that Christianity if it had it's choice would go back 400 years and punish those that offend Christ.

I know in the wests culture that taking the piss and making fun of someone or something is not taken to heart. Most times there is a strong element of truth in the humour. Some may be offended.

I believe our right to offend should be protected however does that mean no-one has the right to reacted if they take offence?
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Rorschach » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:19 am

18C should go its a bad joke.
We already have enough laws to protect people from real "offense".
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Super Nova » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:00 pm

Rorschach wrote:18C should go its a bad joke.
We already have enough laws to protect people from real "offense".
I don't think we have laws that protect against "offense". We have laws that protect against reputation damage or can compensate for such damage. Being offended is a choice.....

What is 18C? (too small for a bra size)
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Rorschach » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:21 pm

Super Nova wrote:
Rorschach wrote:18C should go its a bad joke.
We already have enough laws to protect people from real "offense".
I don't think we have laws that protect against "offense". We have laws that protect against reputation damage or can compensate for such damage. Being offended is a choice.....

What is 18C? (too small for a bra size)
Did you miss my quotation marks? :roll:
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Super Nova » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:47 pm

No. I even quoted them back.

However my clairvoyance skills are at an all time low today so you will have to explain 18C.
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Rorschach » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:14 pm

Super Nova wrote:No. I even quoted them back.

However my clairvoyance skills are at an all time low today so you will have to explain 18C.
Well quotes can be used for irony and sarcasm... try relating to that if you will.
18c is the part of the legislation that makes "offence" illegal.

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 - SECT 18C

Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin
(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), an act is taken not to be done in private if it:

(a) causes words, sounds, images or writing to be communicated to the public; or

(b) is done in a public place; or

(c) is done in the sight or hearing of people who are in a public place.

(3) In this section:

"public place" includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether or not a charge is made for admission to the place.
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Super Nova » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:34 pm

Ahhh thanks.

"Offensive behaviour because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin"

Does this include images of ones prophet then?

Religion is not mentioned.

I get it for racism.... OK.

What about non-racist offending?
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Rorschach » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:46 pm

Almost gave up trying to login.....
Wonder how NATIONAL and ETHNICITY is considered with people from an Islamic state or who as a Muslim has a way of life and culture governed by a religion.
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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by mantra » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:07 pm

I believe our right to offend should be protected however does that mean no-one has the right to reacted if they take offence?
We have always had the right to offend, but extreme abuse and slander should continue to be unlawful as it often leads to violence. When people get hurt because of an over-reaction by the victim/s, then it becomes too costly in human and financial terms. Abuse and slander incite hatred.

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Re: Consequences of our right to offend

Post by Rorschach » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:17 pm

Nothing Bolt did was extreme :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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