Smoot Hawley Act

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JW Frogen
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Re: Smoot-Hawley

Post by JW Frogen » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:26 pm

Leftofcentresalterego wrote:Yes Frogen, I am of the opinion that governments should do something, as is nearly every government on Earth and even notably neo-liberal institutions such as the IMF who miraculously became Keynsians when the crisis hit.
Given the amount of government spending in both the US and Australian economies prior to the crises one would think Keynes had never totally went away.

Still when the US last attempted this it was a creditor nation with hope of being able to recoup the debt, it is now a debtor nation with an economic problem largely caused by that debt using more debt to attempt to escape the problem, and not even using that debt wisely in a targeted manner.

Obama having abdicated the stimulus draft to the Democrats in Congress rather than targeting the money to the causes of the crises may be prolonging it. (Many economists argue the same about Roosevelt and the Great Depression.)

He should not be the Santa Claus of every spending cause but rather target the money on saving banking, scrubbing bad assets out and then making the institutions capable of lending again do so, restoring credit confidence and stopping dramatic unemployment rises in the short term so that markets can stabiles.

Obama has been stumbling on a banking plan, created a stimulus that shotguns money everywhere except in quick job creation which is required now.

For instance every Dem Congressman created a new infrastructure program in their district (as Congressmen do when the President signs a blank check for them) but these programs need to go through planning approval, bidding and then logistical gear up, it will be years before they create significant levels of employment, where as if Obama had actually lead, controlled the process he could have requested a massive refurbishment and repair effort on existing infrastructure which has none of the same time delays thereby directing the funds to the immediate problem.

Just throwing money out willy-nilly and crossing your fingers in not an economic plan it is religious faith.

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by White Indigene » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:38 pm

Yes

And faith in just one Generation, to boot.

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by JW Frogen » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:49 pm

White Indigene wrote:Yes

And faith in just one Generation, to boot.

And on the seventh day Obama Obamed.

Leftofcentresalterego

Smoot-Hawley

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:47 pm

The US govt does not need to borrow from anybody to do what it is doing and I'm not sure that a sovereign government can be "hamstrung by it's own debt to itself" in any real sense, nor does it need to levy taxes to pay for this.

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by Uncanny Valley » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:43 pm

shaved smoo

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by JW Frogen » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:58 pm

Uncanny Valley wrote:shaved smoo
Who is smooen who?

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by JW Frogen » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:17 pm

I am sick of Smoot Hartly. Smoot my fartly you fucking hartless smooter!

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Smoot-Hawley

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:24 pm

shaved smoo
Mate was working at the power station when the Canadians took a big stake in it and sent out their own Canuck management team. They called a general meeting at which about 600 blokes were present. Totally unaware of Australian colloqalisms, the Canadians stood at the lectern up the front of the hall and announced that they would be implenting a new way of doing things. They announced in front of the audience "we call it Systems Management Unit - or SMU for short". The laugh ran all the way from the front of the hall to the back and back up to the front again, while the Canadians stood up the front wondering what the hell was so funny :mrgreen:

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Remember the Smoot-Hawley thread?

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:28 am

Remember how I said that irrespective of what anyone thought about protectionism, some heightened level would be coming anyway as the heavy economic inter-dependence of the modern era leaves many countries badly exposed during serious recesssion to huge job losses and collapsing industries as foreign firms desperately seek to maximise their market share and in doing so, drive many struggling local firms to the wall, resulting in further job losses in a downward spiral?

China appears to be discreetly throwing up a new great wall in order to protect it's government's efforts to build up the domestic economy and reduce the reliance on exports.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/bu ... 43,00.html

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:24 am

Not a good sign--the Chinese and New South Welshmen both!

You have to wonder HM US states, minor European countries, African etc etc countries have quietly done the same, not reported by our generally crap MSM?

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