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Re: Global Warming

Post by Rorschach » Wed May 08, 2013 11:24 am

march 26 2013 SN...
New Discovery: NASA Study Proves Carbon Dioxide Cools Atmosphere

Written by H. Schreuder & J. O'Sullivan

A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.

NASA's Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface.

NASA's Langley Research Center instruments show that the thermosphere not only received a whopping 26 billion kilowatt hours of energy from the sun during a recent burst of solar activity, but that in the upper atmospheric carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide molecules sent as much as 95% of that radiation straight back out into space.

The shock revelation starkly contradicts the core proposition of the so-called greenhouse gas theory which claims that more CO2 means more warming for our planet. However, this compelling new NASA data disproves that notion and is a huge embarrassment for NASA's chief climatologist, Dr James Hansen and his team over at NASA's GISS.

Already, the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has been in full retreat after having to concede a 17-year stall in global warming despite levels of atmopheric CO2 rising almost 40 percent in recent decades. The new SABER data now forms part of a real world double whammy against climatologists' computer models that have always been programmed to show CO2 as a warming gas.

The SABER evidence also makes a mockery of the statement on the NASA GISS website (by Hansen underling Gavin Schmidt) claiming, "the greenhouse effect keeps the planet much warmer than it would be otherwise." [1]

As NASA's SABER team at Langley admits:

"This is a new frontier in the sun-Earth connection," says associate principal investigator Martin Mlynczak, "and the data we’re collecting are unprecedented."

Over at Principia Scientific International (PSI) greenhouse gas effect (GHE) critic, Alan Siddons is hailing the findings. Siddons and his colleagues have been winning support from hundreds of independent scientists for their GHE studies carried out over the last seven years. PSI has proved that the numbers fed into computer models by Hansen and others were based on a faulty interpretation of the laws of thermodynamics. PSI also recently uncovered long overlooked evidence from the American Meteorological Society (AMS) that shows it was widely known the GHE was discredited prior to 1951.

Pointedly, a much-trumpeted new book released this month by Rupert Darwall claims to help expose the back story of how the junk GHE theory was conveniently resuscitated in the 1980's by James Hansen and others to serve an environmental policy agenda at that time.

As the SABER research report states:

A recent flurry of eruptions on the sun did more than spark pretty auroras around the poles. NASA-funded researchers say the solar storms of March 8th through 10th dumped enough energy in Earth’s upper atmosphere to power every residence in New York City for two years.

“This was the biggest dose of heat we’ve received from a solar storm since 2005,” says Martin Mlynczak of NASA Langley Research Center. “It was a big event, and shows how solar activity can directly affect our planet.”

As PSI's own space scientists have confirmed, as solar energy penetrates deeper into our atmosphere, even more of its energy will end up being sent straight back out to space, thus preventing it heating up the surface of our earth. The NASA Langley Research Center report agrees with PSI by admitting:

“Carbon dioxide and nitric oxide are natural thermostats,”
explains James Russell of Hampton University, SABER’s principal investigator. “When the upper atmosphere (or ‘thermosphere’) heats up, these molecules try as hard as they can to shed that heat back into space.”

To those independent scientists and engineers at Principia Scientific International this is not news. The “natural thermostat” effect of CO2 has long been known by applied scientists and engineers how have exploited it's remarkable properties in the manufacturer of refrigerators and air conditioning systems. The fledgling independent science body has repeatedly shown in it's openly peer reviewed papers that atmospheric carbon dioxide does not cause global warming nor climate change.

Some diehard climate alarmists will still say that in the lower atmosphere the action of carbon dioxide is reversed, but there is no actual proof of this at all. PSI suggests it is time for the SABER team to have a word with James Hansen. Watch the full NASA video on Youtube.
I posted about this sort of things years ago on FDs other site... they were in denial there. But my interpretation was slightly different than this. I'm thinking this one is just a tad biased against alarmists beliefs.

Oh and here's a current article on Antarctic ice given an 800 year study.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed May 08, 2013 6:39 pm

annielaurie wrote:Nova, I said yes I could accept the science involved in climate change. I am not ignoring the contribution of human industrialization.

Yes I read the whole article. So what don't you agree with about the ideas I wrote in my post?
annielaurie wrote:I would be able to accept at least some of this. But no matter what the cause or combination of factors, the climate appears to be changing toward overall warmer temps, more CO2 trapped in the atmosphere, the melting of ice caps and glaciers, the rising of sea levels around the world, the flooding of coastal cities, and the loss of natural habitat for many plant and animal species - including us.
Agree with this. However if a contributing cause is us then we should take action to redress.
annielaurie wrote:I have never believed that a carbon tax will do much toward the process of adapting, I believe it is the wrong approach.
Agree with this.
annielaurie wrote: I believe adaptation and education are the answers.
Education is critical to change behaviours. - so yes.

Adaption - No. We can only go so far. We have evolved ourselves and the ecosystem we depend on have evolved to the current environment of the planet. Major changes will only harm us. The rate of change could be fast so it is not the solution. This proposes we take no corrective action. - Don't agree.

I
annielaurie wrote: envision a radical change in the way we think our civilization should be - and that will require education in economics, sociology, ethics, physics, chemistry, maths and sciences.
Agree- we should move to a Startrek like society .... :rofl
annielaurie wrote:We might want to consider modifying the way we grow and distribute food around the world, cleaning up our industrial processes, our modes of transportation, our infrastructure, new and better sourses of energy, and so on.
We should.
annielaurie wrote:I envision education taking the place of religion. I'm thinking something like this for the future: religion viewed not as an actual belief system but in terms of historical importance through the lense of its influence on culture, holy books interpreted as literature only, churches become museums or libraries, and in schools science and math taking the place of superstition and "magic" to explain the way nature works.
Agree again.

My apologies Annie. I agreed with most of what you posted. I had a senior moment.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed May 08, 2013 6:41 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote: Well I've been saying for years now, due to the actions of those in positions to effect or implement remedial action, who have either done their utmost to pollute more, or try to make money out of permission/license to pollute more, that nobody has a genuine plan or even intention to pollute less, just schemes on how to make the public pay for polluting more.
And considering the behavior of some of these Texan jesus freak doomsday cultist oil barons, it seems that if they can't spark WW3 in Israel they'll melt the planet to destroy the world, so jesus can come save them.
Like you I see no real attempt to reduce pollution. I think we do need Jesus to save us all.

Dog help us all and the future generation of life on this planet.

The future generation will score this period very badly.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed May 08, 2013 6:43 pm

A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
Miss this bit SN?
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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed May 08, 2013 7:14 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
Miss this bit SN?
No... haven't read that article yet. Will get to it in-between pretending to work.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by mantra » Wed May 08, 2013 7:21 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
Miss this bit SN?
They are a US government agency. Of course they're going to say what they're told to. God help America if they should go green. The citizens might actually have to cut down a little on their consumption.

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Re: Global Warming

Post by Super Nova » Wed May 08, 2013 7:28 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
A recent NASA report throws the space agency into conflict with its climatologists after new NASA measurements prove that carbon dioxide acts as a coolant in Earth's atmosphere.
Miss this bit SN?
Fuck.... that takes the wind out the sails a bit..........

Need to look into a bit more.
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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed May 08, 2013 7:43 pm

Why do you sound disappointed?
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Re: Global Warming

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Wed May 08, 2013 9:18 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote::lol: nice adhom.
Understandable as your argument is as weak as piss with no facts, smothered with motherhood statements and appeals for "doing the right thing".

Cries of "We must do something" with no logical or economic reason why or how means you've lost the argument before you started.

Join the Greens and save gay whales...it's what your argument adds up to
Get up off the couch and do something with your life you fucking slob :)

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Re: Global Warming

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed May 08, 2013 10:12 pm

AiA in Atlanta wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote::lol: nice adhom.
Understandable as your argument is as weak as piss with no facts, smothered with motherhood statements and appeals for "doing the right thing".

Cries of "We must do something" with no logical or economic reason why or how means you've lost the argument before you started.

Join the Greens and save gay whales...it's what your argument adds up to
Get up off the couch and do something with your life you fucking slob :)
Fuck you....I'm in bed :lol:
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