Dear Mr Abbott ...

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Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:08 pm

So Tony, you want to be Prime Minister. Well better you than Malcolm Turnbull, and it'd be hard to do a worse job of it than Julia Gillard.

I grew up in a staunch Labor family, but never voted Labor. Nor Liberal or National.
Actually when I did voluntarilly go on the electoral roll, I joined the Greens, and became a delegate to Qld state council for 5 years consecutively. Then resigned because vegetarians had gained a critical mass enabling them to use party resources to promote their veg nazi agenda of destroying Australia's cattle industry.

Well the last 2 generations of my family bred cattle. Herefords and Pole Herefords. And I have spent the best part of the last 14 years working in agriculture/small crops industries as farm labour or fruit picking, so can pick the vegetarian arguments to pieces, because of my own personal experience.

Anyway, getting to the point, you Tony were recently quoted by the Australian newspaper at the Melbourne Institute in an article titled 'Vision of things to come' (The Weekend Australian 3-4 November 2012) as such:
My vision is for a people who are freer, prouder and more prosperous
One of my biggest gripes with modern day government is over regulation. While I was quite critical of many things John Howard did, I must give credit where it due. He raised the tax free threshold from $5,000 to $10,000. He made pre-nuptual agreements legally binding. And he sent Australian military personel to sort out the Indonesians in East Timor.

My current biggest gripe with federal government is Compulsory Superannuation.
I've never had any faith in it from day one when Paul Keating imposed it on us, and I'm still convinced its a scam.
Just the fact the rules keep being changed is proof enough of that.

As of June 30 2011 the Federal govt's superannuation liability to federal public servants was $145 billion.
As of June 30 2012 the Federal govt's superannuation liability to federal public servants is $235 billion.
This superannuation is supposed to be paid from the 'Future fund'.
As of June 30 2012 the Future fund contained $1.5 billion.

Australians have so far accumulated $1.4 trillion in superannuation, but 1/3rd of it is in self managed funds (SMF) because Australians typically have no faith in the companies running the funds. So the Gillard govt intends to change rules on SMFs prohibiting trustees putting their money into their own houses, and wants to confiscate accounts of $2,000 or less that have not been contributed to for 12 months or more. This is nothing more than Government sanctioned theft.

The age of entitlement to claim has been raised from 55 (as originally promised) to 65. The Old age pension entilement age is reputedly to be raised another 5 years, so one would assume the intention is to do the same again with superannuation.

Alot of people have to do unecessary paperwork because they need an ABN to get a job, because employers don't want the superannuation responsibility.

You Tony are better resourced than I to find out how many jobs abolition of compulsory super would generate, but if you meant:
My vision is for a people who are freer, prouder and more prosperous
... then abolition of Compulsory Super is a vote winner.

You encouraged Australians to take out private health insurance with a rebate. You could do precisely the same thing with superannuation.
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Re: Dear Mr Abbot ...

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:13 pm

Forwarded to Tony Abbott via:

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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:04 pm

Ummm, tax free threshold was $6000. Swan raised that to $18,200 from Jul 1 this year.

Another quibble: the government is not confiscating old super accounts of $2000 or less. It will manage these without extracting fees and will pay interest in to them at the rate of the CPI. If the govt hadn’t done that then those accounts would be eaten up by fees in 6 years or less. Whoever remembers or searches for old super accounts can have the old account tolled over into their main super account.

Neither side of politics will abolish compulsory award superannuation or the cost of pensions will bankrupt the country!

If you want a better return, transfer your money into an industry account.

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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:09 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:Ummm, tax free threshold was $6000. Swan raised that to $18,200 from Jul 1 this year. Swan only raised it to that as compensation for the imposition of the carbon tax, a tax he and Julia Gillard promised the Australian people they wouldn't impose. A scheme that labor said repeatedly would only affect the top big company/polluters and that was unnecessary for the ordinary punter.

Another quibble: the government is not confiscating old super accounts of $2000 or less. It will manage these without extracting fees and will pay interest in to them at the rate of the CPI. If the govt hadn’t done that then those accounts would be eaten up by fees in 6 years or less. Whoever remembers or searches for old super accounts can have the old account tolled over into their main super account. Not exactly true, and Kev and Co promised they would never touch Super.

Neither side of politics will abolish compulsory award superannuation or the cost of pensions will bankrupt the country! Perhaps correct but Labor brought in Compulsory super in order to make retirement fully self-funded via the Superanuation/saving scheme. Hence putting the financial burden back on individuals and companies. It is a flawed arrangement.

If you want a better return, transfer your money into an industry account.
Yogi I think you will find retirement age is moving incrementally to 67 courtesy of the ALP.
Three years ago, in the May 2009 Federal Budget, the Government announced that the Age Pension age is set to increase to 67 years of age from 2023. This major change may have disappeared from the front pages of newspapers but it should be ‘top of mind’ for most Australians thinking about retirement.
There's a time-table here...
http://www.superguide.com.au/how-super- ... ease-to-67" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and details direct from the government here
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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:39 pm

Oh yeah, and Tony Abbott will never be PM of Australia.

Latest Morgan poll, 1600 sample, ALP 50.5 LNP 49.5 and Abbott is as popular as a pork chop at a synagogue.

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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:45 pm

Well if that's what Morgan says then I guess the Coalition and lots of supporters will be breathing a sigh of relief... that means they will romp it in. :rofl

Honestly Monkey Boy you do grasp at straws.
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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Neferti » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:50 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:Oh yeah, and Tony Abbott will never be PM of Australia.

Latest Morgan poll, 1600 sample, ALP 50.5 LNP 49.5 and Abbott is as popular as a pork chop at a synagogue.
Monk, you have quoted the Morgan poll, previously ... keep trying, nobody is taking any notice of you.

It is going around that this bloke is about to take over from Gillard!
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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:56 pm

As I said, the Libs seeing their poll lead disappear and Abbott becoming unelectable are thrashing around desperately for a scandal or something to reassure yourselves.

Gillard’s PPM is 51%, netsat just -1%. Nobody is going to even think about dumping her as Leader. Abbott, OTOH, is not safe—he could be dumped as early as next week.

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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Neferti » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:03 pm

Jovial Monk wrote:As I said, the Libs seeing their poll lead disappear and Abbott becoming unelectable are thrashing around desperately for a scandal or something to reassure yourselves.

Gillard’s PPM is 51%, netsat just -1%. Nobody is going to even think about dumping her as Leader. Abbott, OTOH, is not safe—he could be dumped as early as next week.
Gillard is about to go down in a screaming heap!

Stop worrying about Abbott. Think of Australia. :yahoo

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Re: Dear Mr Abbott ...

Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:42 pm

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What a moron... The ABC, The Age and the SMH are all onto this... they are not being led by the Liberal Party, that is just an insane suggestion. In fact for most of it the Libs have left this issue alone... until Julia started dodging questions on it.

The real scandal is Gillard and the ALP.
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