Gaza conflict moves towards ceasefire

[mantra]

Before WW2 state sanctioned murder and genicide were all acceptable practices.

Hitler's behaviour raised the behaviour of states and empires to the awareness of all and made it illegal and immoral.

Selectively only.

No-one gives a stuff about the acts of genocide which followed in Rwanda, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and many other obscure nations.

Gillard has even pledged half a million dollars to the the Auschwitz-Birkenau Foundation Perpetual Fund - lest we forget the ancestors of current influential Jews.

Can the same be said for any other body of massacred people?

[Jovial Monk]

I think Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial can stand for all massacres mantra.

In Jan '79 I went through the old Dachau concentration camp outside Munich. The photos and documents and information exhibits there brought home the cold blooded way the Germans killed people in those camps.

[Super Nova]

Selectively only.

No-one gives a stuff about the acts of genocide which followed in Rwanda, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and many other obscure nations.

Gillard has even pledged half a million dollars to the the Auschwitz-Birkenau Foundation Perpetual Fund - lest we forget the ancestors of current influential Jews.

Can the same be said for any other body of massacred people?

It may feel that way but it is against the law now and the perpertrators of genocide are just starting to be held to account.... finally. The effect was to declare.... it is not acceptable and the will be punished.

[Super Nova]

I think Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial can stand for all massacres mantra.

In Jan '79 I went through the old Dachau concentration camp outside Munich. The photos and documents and information exhibits there brought home the cold blooded way the Germans killed people in those camps.

Been there.

Sad place. You see the buildings that were there and then visit the remain gas chambers at the far end of the field and.... ......

then go back and have a look at the photos in the building.....

Very moving.

[mantra]

It may feel that way but it is against the law now and the perpertrators of genocide are just starting to be held to account.... finally. The effect was to declare.... it is not acceptable and the will be punished.

Do you really believe that? I think it is selectively applied depending on a nation's wealth.

Some people are just more important than others and wealth creates the difference. The Palestinians, nor the Rwandan's etc., don't have relatives in high places - so they're the losers for the time being in Israel's quest to covet.

[Super Nova]

Do you really believe that? I think it is selectively applied depending on a nation's wealth.

Some people are just more important than others and wealth creates the difference. The Palestinians, nor the Rwandan's etc., don't have relatives in high places - so they're the losers for the time being in Israel's quest to covet.

I believe that if it wasn't for the nazis of WWII genocide would be tolerated more than it is today.

The UN is just a toothless tiger but their is no limitiations on when you can be tried for crimes against humanity... so if there is a will they will be delt with. I think there is onl 2 convicted since the trials afetr WWII. Which is bullshiot... I agree. The are starting to take this more seriuously.

I do believe it is no longer accetpable. I believe it is not dealt with in an even handed wa. We too easily grant the leader safe passage and protection against trial just to get rid of them.

[Super Nova]

Mantra,

Some quick research show my view to be idealic. This link has highlighted to me how it continued on after WWII.

1951 to 2000

Universal acceptance of international laws, defining and forbidding genocide was achieved in 1948, with the promulgation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). The CPPCG was adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948 and came into effect on 12 January 1951 (Resolution 260 (III)). After the minimum 20 countries became parties to the Convention, it came into force as international law on 12 January 1951. At that time however, only two of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (UNSC) were parties to the treaty, which caused the Convention to languish for over four decades.

[Rorschach]

Mantra,

Some quick research show my view to be idealic. This link has highlighted to me how it continued on after WWII.

1951 to 2000

Universal acceptance of international laws, defining and forbidding genocide was achieved in 1948, with the promulgation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). The CPPCG was adopted by the UN General Assembly on 9 December 1948 and came into effect on 12 January 1951 (Resolution 260 (III)). After the minimum 20 countries became parties to the Convention, it came into force as international law on 12 January 1951. At that time however, only two of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council (UNSC) were parties to the treaty, which caused the Convention to languish for over four decades.

Which proves SN's point mantra that this came about because of the Germans actions against the Jews. If this had not occurred then in all likelyhood this Convention would never have existed.
I note Israel didn't exist previously as a Nation State (nor did Palestine), hence your claim re a nation's wealth etc is if not completely wrong in this instance it is on very shaky grounds.

[mantra]

Which proves SN's point mantra that this came about because of the Germans actions against the Jews. If this had not occurred then in all likelyhood this Convention would never have existed.
I note Israel didn't exist previously as a Nation State (nor did Palestine), hence your claim re a nation's wealth etc is if not completely wrong in this instance it is on very shaky grounds.

Originally I said "a massacred body of people", but I suppose we could say the West applied it to Hussein and Gadafi - but it's obvious there were financial motives behind their execution. As far as enforcing this "Convention" anywhere else - could you please provide some examples?

The money was given originally because a couple of Labor MP's wanted their Jewish ancestors remembered. It sounds more like a memorial than a Convention.

[Rorschach]

I don't think wiping out the male members of Hussein's family or killing Gadaffi could be considered Genocide.

I think you will find hatred, tribal and personal would have been the motivation in their deaths. The Arabs are like that.