Global cooling

[Jovial Monk]

So why are the Arctic ice and Greenland icesheets disappearing ever more quickly?

What figures were they actually talking about?

[IQS.RLOW]

How is the Antarctic going doofus?

There's already a picture there for you...it's not in crayon though so you might get confused

[Jovial Monk]

Antarctic is more complex than Arctic ocean. Signs are mixed, snow and ice loss here compensated by gales elsewhere.

Antarctica is less responsive to AGW because it has both strong wind and strong wind currents around it. One the whole tho net ice loss is occurring, I think, because icesheets are breaking off more frequently.

[IQS.RLOW]

So basically, you are full of shit and have no clue

[Jovial Monk]

I just told you what the story is with Antarctica.

The one without a clue is you.

[mantra]

Antarctic is more complex than Arctic ocean. Signs are mixed, snow and ice loss here compensated by gales elsewhere.

Antarctica is less responsive to AGW because it has both strong wind and strong wind currents around it. One the whole tho net ice loss is occurring, I think, because icesheets are breaking off more frequently.

The weather patterns have been unpredictable for the last few years - and have become more so in the past year. Whether we're experiencing global warming or global cooling - there's not much we can do about it with our large global population. Nuclear bombs, heavy mining/military machinery, sea and air traffic, junked seas, oil rigs and reduced agricultural land and bush etc. all contribute towards weather changes. We've hacked away at so much at our natural environment that when "natural" disasters do strike - there are no buffers to lessen the force.

[Jovial Monk]

Generally weather patterns have been moving towards the poles—Adelaide now gets monsoonal weather making our summers humid as well as hot.

You are right about the damage we have done to natural systems on land and the sea so these are less able to absorb GHG emissions.

Hurricane Sandy showed how we have degraded our coastlines by building on dunes etc so unless things start changing the increase in sea level from expansion of oceans as they warm up plus melting of Greenland icesheets etc will see storm surges reach further and further inland.

And there are feedbacks: increasing warmth, ever longer warm seasons means bush fires when they happen and these pour huge amounts of GHG into the atmosphere. Similarly, the increasing icemelt in the Arctic means more sunlight hitting and being absorbed by dark ocean rather than being reflected back into space by white snow/ice.

And tipping points with Arctic and Siberian frozen methane clathrates melting, releasing methane, the worst GHG, into the atmosphere.

[mantra]

And there are feedbacks: increasing warmth, ever longer warm seasons means bush fires when they happen and these pour huge amounts of GHG into the atmosphere.

Some nations are experiencing increasing warmth - others are experiencing cooling. Could that be a natural occurrence or a phenomenon? Our official records only go back a century or so. Not long enough to see the bigger picture.

Similarly, the increasing icemelt in the Arctic means more sunlight hitting and being absorbed by dark ocean rather than being reflected back into space by white snow/ice.

That's interesting and believable.

[Rorschach]

Ignorance is bliss eh Monkey Boy...

[mantra]

Ignorance is bliss eh Monkey Boy...

Can we please stay on topic. This could be an interesting thread without the taunting. The Vortex is the place for trolling.