US election result - why?

[Aussie]

Not sure about the 'evangelical' bit, but he certainly went out of his way to get the support of those groups. If you attend their functions and make key note speeches for them, no-one ought be surprised that the casual observer would therefore describe him as one of them.

It is well known that he is a supporter of Ann Rand and concerning 'creationism' there is this of interest:

Her one-time associate Nathaniel Branden states in his well-known essay The Benefits and Hazards of the Philosophy of Ayn Rand:

I remember being astonished to hear her say one day, "After all, the theory of evolution is only a hypothesis." I asked her, "You mean you seriously doubt that more complex life forms — including humans — evolved from less complex life forms?" She shrugged and responded, "I'm really not prepared to say," or words to that effect. I do not mean to imply that she wanted to substitute for the theory of evolution the religious belief that we are all God's creation; but there was definitely something about the concept of evolution that made her uncomfortable.

Anybody who espouses the view that religion should trump the law and ones own personal liberties if those choices go against other people’s christian religious beliefs is a religious extremist in my opinion.

As for the idiot who suggested that the outcome of any election in the USA is not directly connected to religion, well...............self evident.

Moron.

[annielaurie]

evangelical creationist religious extremist running mate Paul Ryan.

*The surgeon general advises that drinking the koolaid gives you cancer

IQ, what the hell are you talking about? You have posted this three times now, but what does it mean? What does the koolaide bit mean? You are not making sense.

Paul Ryan is an evangelical creationist religious extremist. They have some of those in the Catholic church, even in this day and age.

You cannot give me a straight answer about what lie I was supposed to have told in this thread, so I am done talking to you.

You're a moron. Goodbye.

[Aussie]

The fucking grubby smart arse is referring to this, given the battle you are presently engaged in with cancer. The little turd needs to be flushed.

[IQS.RLOW]

IQ, what the hell are you talking about?

Your lie. The one you repeated again

Paul Ryan is an evangelical creationist religious extremist.

As for Aussie...

It is well known that he is a supporter of Ann Rand and concerning 'creationism' there is this of interest:

'Ayn' Rand is most famous for her Atheism
Moron

Once again, neither Annie nor the idiot Aussie offer anything to support their lie that Ryan is evangical, extremist, religious or creationist.

I ask again, Why do you feel the need to lie?

[IQS.RLOW]

The fucking grubby smart arse is referring to this, given the battle you are presently engaged in with cancer. The little turd needs to be flushed.

You are a fucking idiot

I'm surprised that Annie doesn't 'know what goes on in her own country' considering how she claims living there gives her vast knowledge and the ability to make shit up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a metaphor commonly used in the United States and Canada that refers to a person or group holding an unquestioned belief, argument, or philosophy without critical examination.

Yes, it's wiki but when used as a term of reference for pop culture rather than so-called 'facts' it is quite appropriate

[Aussie]

That has sfa to do with this grubby comment of yours:

The surgeon general advises that drinking the koolaid gives you cancer

Don't bother responding.

[Rorschach]

Yes, they are considered extreme even by many regular Christian evangelicals, because the Mormon beliefs about Jesus are not Biblical, and because the Mormons wrote another bible for themselves, the Book of Mormon. To regular Christians, that isn't Christian.

Yes Annie I know that so do most Australians I’d think, I even read their book quite a few years ago… we get them here too. But, I’d think most Australians see them as “mostly harmless” not as dangerous “extremists”.

But take note of the Republican figures in the poll, obviously they favor creationism more than the Democrats.

But the Dems in a large percent share those beliefs Annie.

God created humans in present form within the last 10,000 years...
Reps... 58%
Indies... 39%
Dems... 41%

Still they are gaining momentum somewhat. Here today, mainstream Christians (not necessarily creationists) fall by the wayside in the wake of fundamentalist Christians in the media.

Well I’m not arguing religion per se here, but that is LW media wishful thinking, here in Australia it has been presented like that too, but figures show globally there is no such trend.

I think Romney's running mate was too fundamentalist even for the fundies. I think people were unsure of that. He had some extremist views about abortion and women, healthcare, and so on.

I read up on him and in the US I don’t think his views are that extreme at all. Not my personal views mind you. But not extreme in context of where they come from and who he is. Globally his ideas are merely a variation on a theme.

I’ve read the stuff you posted re Ryan before. I agree, that to me his views on abortion are extremist. I’m not sure they are that extreme in the States though Annie. There are a great many more pro-lifers there, than here in Australia. Being a DEVOUT Catholic obviously colours his thoughts on this. I disagree with his views re firearms, but unlike the States we don’t have the NRA... and many Americans, including Democrats love their guns and demand their rights under the CONSTITUTION to bear arms. He does oppose many Democratic “ideals” but that is no reason to label him like some kind of RW Religious kook as the Dems obviously do. If it was all true, Biden would have had an even bigger field day.

I agree with IQS, in that I have seen no evidence that he is a Young Earther or a Creationist (by your definition), they are different things, and under your use of Creationist you include most of the world’s Christians because they believe God is the creator, no matter what the process involved. According to the article I posted, 41% of Democrats are Young Earthers. Pretty high percentage if you ask me.

As for mantra’s 2 cents worth...

his silence on the subject is admission enough.

Well silence on a subject could mean quite simply he doesn’t believe in it at all.

Ps. I hope you don’t want to stomp me flat
Still friends

Pss. Arsie…

As for the idiot who suggested that the outcome of any election in the USA is not directly connected to religion, well...............self evident.

I haven’t seen anyone say that so far… moron.
Could be I missed it eh.

Oh and Annie... I have trouble with the terms Evangelical and Catholic being linked. I imagine a Catholic service being totally different to an Evangelical one. But hey, I'll check it out. Might be a cultural terminology difference.

[Aussie]

Could be I missed it eh.

No surprise there.

[Rorschach]

Oh, poor widdle Arsie.
Wassup buddy... that all you got?

On your bike squire...
or are you going to stay and argue how RELIGION was the overarching decider in the election.
In a country where the vast majority are Christian you gonna tell me they voted as a block?
Where's the NOT A LEG TO STAND ON emoticon?

[Aussie]

"What makes you think I need any of this explained to me?"