US election result - why?

[Rorschach]

Romney is a Mormon.... are they considered extremist in the states?

I'd have thought being less than 2% of the population they were a very small minority, a little bit on the God-botherer side, but as Douglas Adams would say, mostly harmless. But then as you've pointed out, most Americans are religious. (Personally, I'd be more concerned about the types in Obama's congregation).

In fact Annie using your Creationist/Young World outlook, it appears that both Democrats and Republicans share pretty much the same views on the subject. IMO.

In 2012...
Gallup Poll.
Hard to say how the whole population feels... as since you don't all vote, one would have to guess the 40-50% or so that don't, are not members/supporters of any particular party, nor have they any interest in politics even at an Independent level.

God created humans in present form within the last 10,000 years...
Reps... 58%
Indies... 39%
Dems... 41%

Humans evolved, in a process guided by God...
Reps... 31%
Indies... 34%
Dems... 32%

Humans evolved, with no Godly involvement...
Reps... 5%
Indies... 19%
Dems... 19%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold- ... igins.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not a bad article.

* I note there must be undecideds or atheists or agnostics or people that have no opinion on the subject. Mind you I don't put a lot of faith in polling (samples)... because; who was polled, how many were polled, what were the questions, was it face to face anonymous, controls?, checks? etc, etc, etc, can all effect the results..
** I note from the article the poll came from states that less than half believe in a creationist view. that view being split between those that do believe in "Young Earth" and those that believe in a God guided evolution.
*** It would seem then from the polls in the article, that some 78% of Americans today believe that God had a hand in the development of humans in some way, be they Republican, Democrat or Independent.

Hopefully that has exhausted this side of the debate and we can get back to what I consider more "earthly" reasoning behind the election results.

[Rorschach]

oh and Annie... according to that poll there has been no substantial change in "beliefs" over the last 30 years so perhaps it may just appear as though these "beliefs" are gaining ground because of other reasons such as media attention etc. Possibly even political propaganda.

I didn't see much of the campaign so...
Was there a media concentration on this issue?
Was Romney being a Mormon a concern to the general public?
Was Creationism brought up during the election as an issue?

[Rorschach]

almost forgot....

evangelical creationist religious extremist running mate Paul Ryan.

and what makes you think this is true Annie?

[annielaurie]

Rorschach, to answer your most important points since I last posted,

Romney is a Mormon ... are they considered extremist in the states?

Yes, they are considered extreme even by many regular Christian evangelicals, because the Mormon beliefs about Jesus are not Biblical, and because the Mormons wrote another bible for themselves, the Book of Mormon. To regular Christians, that isn't Christian.

God created humans in present form within the last 10,000 years

Reps ... 58%
Indies ... 39%
Dems ... 41%

Humans evolved, in a process guided by God

Reps ... 31%
Indies ... 34%
Dems ... 32%

Humans evolved, with no Godly involvement

Reps ... 5%
Indies ... 19%
Dems ... 19%

Yes, these percentages are basically correct. Most Americans believe in God, and that God created the universe, world and life on earth.

But take note of the Republican figures in the poll, obviously they favor creationism more than the Democrats.

And you can see that atheism is at only 19 percent among Dems, and only 5 percent among Repubs. So atheism isn't popular here in America.

according to that poll there has been no substantial change in "beliefs" over the last 30 years so perhaps it may just appear as though these "beliefs" are gaining ground because of other reasons such as media attention etc ... possibly even political propaganda

Yes, true that beliefs haven't changed very much in the last few decades, but they are brought to the attention of the public much more now because of the media we have today.

Still they are gaining momentum somewhat. Here today, mainstream Christians (not necessarily creationists) fall by the wayside in the wake of fundamentalist Christians in the media.

Today when people hear about being Christian in American, they immediately think of the "Bible belt" (southern states who are predominately conservative Protestant and often creationist) or the "religious right" (conservative rightwing political party whose worldview is religious)

... evangelical creationist religious extremist running mate Paul Ryan ... and what makes you think this is true Annie?

I think Romney's running mate was too fundamentalist even for the fundies. I think people were unsure of that. He had some extremist views about abortion and women, healthcare, and so on.

[IQS.RLOW]

evangelical creationist religious extremist running mate Paul Ryan.

*The surgeon general advises that drinking the koolaid gives you cancer

So basically, you are a liar?
You have no evidence to back your statement that Ryan is a creationist, or religious extremist?

[annielaurie]

So basically I'm a liar? How do you figure that? IQ you are usually impossible to answer, no answer is good enough for you.

How is it that you aussies refuse to believe an American who actually lives here and knows how things are? Why do you persist in thinking you know better than an American knows about who believes what up here in the states?

Ryan is well known for his extreme religious views here, he is a biblical literalist and creationist, and many mainstream (ordinary) Christians are put off by that and think he is too extreme when it comes to politics and law.

If you want to know about Paul Ryan, just google him or look him up, or go to CNN Politics, any reliable sourses. You can do that yourself, if you're interested, why don't you.

[IQS.RLOW]

He had some extremist views about abortion and women, healthcare, and so on.

...and now after you are unable to support your anti-evolution lie, you make up a bunch of others?

What's it like getting lying lessons from Monk and how does it feel to be publicly outed as an extremist leftwing cheerleader?

Repeating lies only reveals you as a far worse gullible moron than the fictional characters that your spin merchants have invented and sold you and you have willingly opened your legs for.

Feel free to offer quotes from Ryan where his 'extremist' views about 'abortion and women, healthcare, and so on'...or just save google a lot of bandwidth and admit that you are wrong

[IQS.RLOW]

Ryan is well known for his extreme religious views here, he is a biblical literalist and creationist, and many mainstream (ordinary) Christians are put off by that and think he is too extreme when it comes to politics and law.

Evidence? Quotes?...or you are a koolaid drinker

[annielaurie]

Go look him up IQ. I am done with you now.

[IQS.RLOW]

no answer is good enough for you.

No bullshit lying answer peppered with rhetoric, no evidence, facts or quotes is good enough for me...no.

It seems that is all you are capable of in reference to Ryan. Perhaps you are unable to see how your bias is able to cloud your judgement and you swallow the lies perpetuated by your fellow leftards without question?

I could understand if you manged to dredge up a quote, speech anything to support your fiction but instead of that, you resort to being "an American who lives here and knows how things are"?

Well, excuse me for seeing that as you piling more bullshit on top of another pile of bullshit in the hope that your bullshit will disguise the smell of the pile under yours

...because that's all it is