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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Rorschach » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:19 am

While I'm on a roll...
Contrary to popular belief, funding for al Qaeda does not come from the personal assets of Bin Ladin but from a complex fundraising network fueled by financial facilitators and diverted Islamic charity donations. Prior to September 11, the financial facilitators raised money from Gulf country donors, particularly Saudi Arabia. They primarily relied on imams at mosques who diverted compulsory charitable donations known as zakat to al Qaeda. They also received money from individuals in corrupted charities. Al Qaeda operatives infiltrated large charitable organizations with loose external oversight or controlled smaller ones. They used these employment positions to gain access to the organization's bank accounts.
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The above article is inline with knowledge/information re funding, I have had for years up till now.
Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries. For example, it carried out the September 11 attacks, 1998 US embassy bombings and the 2002 Bali bombings. The US government responded to the September 11 attacks by launching the War on Terror. With the loss of key leaders, culminating in the death of Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda's operations have devolved from actions that were controlled from the top-down, to actions by franchise associated groups, to actions of lone wolf operators. With the death of key communicators, like Anwar al-Awlaki, the ability of al-Qaeda's "brand" to inspire, motivate and instill fear has sharply declined.[23]
Osama bin Laden was the most historically notable emir, or commander, and Senior Operations Chief of al-Qaida prior to his assassination on May 1, 2011 by US forces. Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's Deputy Operations Chief prior to bin Laden's death, has assumed the role of commander, according to an announcement by al-Qaida on June 16, 2011. He replaced Saif al-Adel, who had served as interim commander.[39]
Osama bin Laden was the most historically notable emir, or commander, and Senior Operations Chief of al-Qaida prior to his assassination on May 1, 2011 by US forces. Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's Deputy Operations Chief prior to bin Laden's death, has assumed the role of commander, according to an announcement by al-Qaida on June 16, 2011. He replaced Saif al-Adel, who had served as interim commander.[39]
Some financing for al-Qaeda in the 1990s came from the personal wealth of Osama bin Laden.[57] By 2001 Afghanistan had become politically complex and mired. With many financial sources for al-Qaeda Bin Laden's financing role may have become comparatively minor. Sources in 2001 could also have included Jamaa Al-Islamiyya and Islamic Jihad, both associated with Afghan-based Egyptians.[58] Other sources of income in 2001 included the heroin trade and donations from supporters in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries.[57] A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[59]
Strategy

On March 11, 2005, Al-Quds Al-Arabi published extracts from Saif al-Adel's document "Al Quaeda's Strategy to the Year 2020".[60][61] Abdel Bari Atwan summarizes this strategy as comprising five stages to rid the Ummah from all forms of oppression:

1. Provoke the United States and the West into invading a Muslim country by staging a massive attack or string of attacks on U.S. soil that results in massive civilian casualties. This succeeded with 9/11 Terrorist attacks
2. Incite local resistance to occupying forces. This also succeeded (Taliban)
3. Expand the conflict to neighboring countries, and engage the U.S. and its allies in a long war of attrition.
4. Convert al-Qaeda into an ideology and set of operating principles that can be loosely franchised in other countries without requiring direct command and control, and via these franchises incite attacks against the U.S. and countries allied with the U.S. until they withdraw from the conflict, as happened with the 2004 Madrid train bombings, but which did not have the same effect with the July 7, 2005 London bombings.
5. The U.S. economy will finally collapse by the year 2020 under the strain of multiple engagements in numerous places, making the worldwide economic system which is dependent on the U.S. also collapse leading to global political instability, which in turn leads to a global jihad led by al-Qaeda and a Wahhabi Caliphate will then be installed across the world following the collapse of the U.S. and the rest of the Western world countries.

Atwan also noted, regarding the collapse of the U.S., "If this sounds far-fetched, it is sobering to consider that this virtually describes the downfall of the Soviet Union."[60]
In December 1998, the Director of Central Intelligence Counterterrorist Center reported to the president that al-Qaeda was preparing for attacks in the USA, including the training of personnel to hijack aircraft.[139] On September 11, 2001, al-Qaeda attacked the United States, hijacking four airliners and deliberately crashing them.[140] The attackers killed 2,977 people.[141]

U.S. officials called Anwar al-Awlaki an "example of al-Qaeda reach into" the U.S. in 2008 after probes into his ties to the September 11 attacks hijackers. A former FBI agent identifies Awlaki as a known "senior recruiter for al-Qaeda", and a spiritual motivator.[142] Awlaki's sermons in the U.S. were attended by three of the 9/11 hijackers, as well as accused Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan. U.S. intelligence intercepted emails from Hasan to Awlaki between December 2008 and early 2009. On his website, Awlaki has praised Hasan's actions in the Fort Hood shooting.[143]
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Two weeks after the September 11 attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation identified the hijackers[citation needed] and connected them to al-Qaeda,[1] a global, decentralized terrorist network. In a number of video, audio, interview and printed statements, senior members of al-Qaeda have also asserted responsibility for organizing the September 11 attacks.[2][3][4] It is believed that Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and Mohammed Atef were the ones who plotted the attacks after meeting together in 1999[5] It is also believed Khalid Sheikh Mohammad was the one who planned the attacks[5] and that Atef was the one who organized the hijackers.[5]
In late October 2001, Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Allouni conducted an interview with Osama bin Laden which was videotaped. Al-Jazeera refused to broadcast it[64] and terminated its affiliation agreement with CNN[65] due to CNN's broadcasting of the interview on January 31, 2002.[66] In the interview, bin Laden addressed the September 11 attacks, saying

If inciting people to do that is terrorism, and if killing those who kill our sons is terrorism, then let history be witness that we are terrorists ... We will work to continue this battle, God permitting, until victory or until we meet God before that occurs.[67]

In November 2001, US forces recovered a videotape from a bombed house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan which showed a man purported to be Osama bin Laden talking to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden talks of planning the attacks. Translations from the tape include the following lines:

...we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the al-Qaeda Egyptian group), was in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.[68]

In late November 2002, a letter attributed to Osama bin Laden and translated by British Islamists surfaced, often called bin Laden's 'letter to America'. It states the motive behind the September 11 attacks as being: "because you attacked us and continue to attack us" and justifies the selection of a civilian target. Itemizing a list of perceived Western wrongdoings, the letter concludes that "the oppressed have a right to return the aggression" and hinted at further attacks. Also included are a list of demands, advice, and a statement of grievances against the American government and its people.[69]

On February 11, 2003, Al Jazeera broadcast an audio tape purportedly from bin Laden.[70]

Shortly before the US presidential election in 2004, in a taped statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in the attacks on the US, and admitted his direct link to the attacks. He said that the attacks were carried out because "we are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."[71]

In an audio message that surfaced on the Internet in May 2006 the speaker, who is alleged to be Osama bin Laden, defends Zacarias Moussaoui, who was undergoing a trial for his participation in the September 11 attacks. The voice in the audio message says

"I begin by talking about the honorable brother Zacarias Moussaoui. The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers—Allah have mercy upon them—with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be with them on that mission."[72]
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More on funding al-qaeda...

Members of an Asian head of state's family have funded al–Qaeda and had advance knowledge of the July 7 terrorist attacks on London, according to claims made public by MPs and peers yesterday.

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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Do we care how Bin Laden died? Speaking only for myself, of course. In a word ...

No

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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Jovial Monk » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:17 pm

But the death of Bin Laden makes us not much better than the kunts that flew the planes into the WTC.

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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Rorschach » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:27 pm

Just went back and read this gem...
He didn't. He funded it. The confessed organizer, KSM, is alive and well and in Cuba.

Huh???????
He was captured on March 1, 2003, in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, by the Inter-Services Intelligence agency of Pakistan, and transferred to U.S. custody. In March 2007, he confessed to masterminding the September 11 attacks, the Richard Reid shoe bombing attempt to blow up an airliner over the Atlantic Ocean, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and various foiled attacks. He was charged in February 2008 with war crimes and murder by a U.S. military commission and faces the death penalty if convicted.
There have been a great many pictures of him in custody since then. Someone's behind the times or has he escaped or been released since then? :roll
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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Rorschach » Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:28 pm

But the death of Bin Laden makes us not much better than the kunts that flew the planes into the WTC.
Monky Boy, that is just a stupid statement on so many levels. :roll:
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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Maxine » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:01 pm

Fat boy is right.

If it is OK for the yanks to invade another country and deliberately kill an unarmed civilian then it is OK for other countries to assasinate Obama or Gillard.

We are supposed to be governed by law! That is what separates us from the animals and barbarians!

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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Rorschach » Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:50 pm

He wasn't unarmed.
The debriefing proves that.
He wasn't what we would consider a civilian either.
I doubt what you consider an animal is would excuse him from such a description even if your political bias would. :roll :roll :roll
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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Mattus » Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:17 am

Rorschach wrote:Just went back and read this gem...
He didn't. He funded it. The confessed organizer, KSM, is alive and well and in Cuba.
There have been a great many pictures of him in custody since then. Someone's behind the times or has he escaped or been released since then? :roll
Is he alive?
Is he well?
What island is he being detained on?
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Re: Do we care how bin Laden died

Post by Rorschach » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:59 am

Point taken.
Personally I felt your reference (alive and well in Cuba), pointed to him being free in Cuba a socialist state.
I merely wished to point out that idea was incorrect.
He has been held prisoner in several facilities, in different countries.
Do you consider during his time in Gitmo, that the prison in the US.Naval Base, is considered Cuban Territory and under Cuban government control/rule?

Even though stating he is in Cuba, while it may be technically true, I personally don't consider the naval base Cuban. Hey, but that might just be me.
I consider Castro's Cuba, Cuba.
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