One life

[Auzgurl]

Rainbow Moonlight wrote:

I think abortion is more legitimate if the baby will be born only to to live in a vegetable like state without awareness of the world or if having the baby would actually put the mother's own health and life at risk.

Make up your mind Rainbow..

Explain if abortion is wrong, why it is not wrong in every case..?

Explain your justification for the aborting of a fetus based on your defintion of "not worth being born.?"

Just because you cannot appreciate the "vegetative" state of a child born not to any degree of "normality" that you understand , why is his her/ life not something that should be valued as well by society and considered "worthy " within the working defintion of "pro-life" advocates.?

I know of a little boy here who lives in a wheelchair and suffers severe quadraplagia..he is such a beautiful 12 year old boy. I could never imagine never having known Jack in my life. He has such a beautiful spirit. His brief but wonderful appearance upon this earth is something that has touched me deeply, I say touched because I do not expect his life to be a long one such is the nature of his ever declining health status..

Do you stand by your statement that children born with severe disabilities should not be accorded the same respects for the sanctity of human life .?

[AiA in Atlanta]

Carol Gilligan studied moral development and asked the question to women, "Should a woman be allowed to have an abortion." It seems women, like men go through 3 stages of moral development but with important differences. Stage 1 women answered, "yes." Stage 2 answered, "no." And Stage 3 women answered, "yes."

This is what she found:

She also outlines 3 stages in moral development. The first is a selfish stage, the second is a belief in conventional morality, and the third is post-conventional. This is a progression from selfish, to social, to principled morality.
Female children start out with a selfish orientation.
They then learn to care for others, and that selfishness is wrong. So in their second, conventional, stage, women typically feel it is wrong to act in their own interests, and that they should value instead the interests of others. They equate concern for themselves with selfishness.
In the third, post-conventional stage, they learn that it is just as wrong to ignore their own interests as it is to ignore the interests of others. One way to this understanding comes through their concern with connecting with others. A connection, or relation, involves two people, and if either one is slighted, it harms the relationship.

So you see, it really does depend on the situation.

[boxy]

Forcing women to be life support systems, against their will, is a greater moral injustice than the death of an unaware and totally dependent embryonic human.

Just as people being artificially kept alive in a persistent vegetative state should be allowed to pass without any moral qualms, so should unwanted embryos. Before consciousness has developed, and after it has left, there is no human life.

[Auzgurl]

Forcing women to be life support systems, against their will, is a greater moral injustice than the death of an unaware and totally dependent embryonic human.

Just as people being artificially kept alive in a persistent vegetative state should be allowed to pass without any moral qualms, so should unwanted embryos. Before consciousness has developed, and after it has left, there is no human life.

I believe you had a "go" at me once boxy for even hinting that it was ok to abort such fetuses, when in actual fact I did not...

[boxy]

I doubt it was me... and the underlined part wasn't talking about fetus' anyway.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

I am sorry auzgirl- i don't want to argue on this issue. Last time we debated abortion there was a lot of emotional flare up all round and I prefer to avoid it. i like you- i don't want to fight with you or hurt each other. I think we are both entitled to our views.

[Auzgurl]

I am sorry auzgirl- i don't want to argue on this issue. Last time we debated abortion there was a lot of emotional flare up all round and I prefer to avoid it. i like you- i don't want to fight with you or hurt each other. I think we are both entitled to our views.

I'm not surpised you back away from this I have to say.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Thanks for understanding.

[JW Frogen]

Carol Gilligan .

GILLIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hits Carol with his captain’s hat.

[JW Frogen]

It all depends on why your killing, just don't fool yourself, you are killing.