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Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:25 pm

Now that all the glitter has settled after last year’s non-binding voluntary postal survey—remember, we couldn’t be trusted to have a plebiscite, let alone a fair dinkum referendum—just exactly how many of the LGBTIQ community have tied the knot? Well, rather than being the over-whelming flood, it has turned out to be nothing more than a trickle. In short, we were conned.

Never one to let the facts—or in this case, statistics—get in the way of a good story, the ABC has presented the figures with some quite ingenious accounting.

The 2016 Census revealed that there are 46,800 same-sex couples living together in Australia. Of these couples, 3,142 reported they were the husband or wife of someone of the same sex (presumably because they were married overseas). If we combine this figure with the number of same-sex marriages registered in the last six months, it appears that over 10 per cent of same-sex couples who live together are now married.

Now, while even the figure of ten per cent is not exactly a sign of overwhelming support if we take away the 3,142 previously married couples (“presumably because they were married overseas”) from the total of 46,800 same-sex couples we have a figure of 43,658. According to Junkee, there have been “just shy of 2,500 same-sex marriages” registered in Australia since marriage was redefined. And this brings the actual percentage down to a more realistic 5.7 per cent. All of which means that 94.3 per cent of same-sex couples within the ‘rainbow spectrum’ have decided to stay exactly as they are, thank you very much.

Now, if the figure of 5.7 per cent seems like something less than a ringing endorsement, you’re right. But then just consider this. According to the 2016 census, those 46,800 same-sex couples comprised a measly 0.4 per cent of the entire population. What we can see now, though, is that far less than the confidently predicted 50 per cent of same-sex couples have jumped at the chance to get married. Instead, the figure is more like 5 per cent. It makes you almost want to ask, “And why did they want to change this, again?”

According to the ABC ‘marriage equality’ was supposed to create a veritable economic boom. Their financial forecast was that it would inject a billion dollars into the Australian economy. However, not only was that figure highly speculative, but it was also predicated on the assumption that over half of same-sex couples would decide to get hitched within the first year of marriage being redefined.

Not to be outdone, the Courier Mail pontificated that marriage redefinition would bring in $650 million and create 8,000 jobs. But rather than rely on any hard-statistical data or scientific research, they based their projected figure entirely on a Workplace diversity expert…need we say more?

But it was the SMH who went further than everyone else and said that redefining marriage would bring in a whopping three billion dollars! But again, this was on the basis that every same-sex couple decided to be married and that they each spent $65,482—they based this total on a 2015 survey from Bride to Be magazine—on their weddings. Interestingly, the article also went on to quote from the same ANZ financial report that the ABC article referred too and concluded that ‘marriage equality’ would only generate not one billion, but only half a billion. But then again, economic accuracy has not been one of the ABC’s strong points, especially of late.

So, it turns out that when you factor in how much money was spent campaigning to change—and defend—the institution of marriage it’s probably ended up costing the Australian economy more than it actually made. It seems then that Peter Martin, Fairfax economics correspondence, was absolutely right when he warned:

Almost always whenever someone claims something will benefit the economy they are wrong. Look at a graph of GDP either side of the Sydney Olympics and you won’t see anything other than a drop in GDP during the Games. Tourism flatlined then fell after the Games. It didn’t start growing strongly again until 2004. Even the Olympic Stadium, which we were told would be a lasting legacy, is, according to the premier, so clapped out it ought to be torn down.

When it comes to debunking the myth that redefining marriage would create this incredible economic prosperity, Michael Potter provides the best and most succinct analysis. What he says about the argument is that:

It is wrong. It is basically magic pudding economics; those running this line don’t understand how the economy works.

In short, what they miss is that the money for gay weddings doesn’t come out of thin air: it comes from somewhere else in the economy. In order to spend money on a wedding, the money comes either from reduced spending elsewhere, or from reduced saving.

Obviously, spending on a wedding that is offset by reduced spending elsewhere doesn’t provide an economic stimulus…

Basically, gay weddings do not create money; and their absence does not destroy money. People arguing for gay weddings should be looking elsewhere for their justification.

It’s probably apt at this point to recall that there were a number of LGBTIQ people who were publicly outspoken in their opposition to the ‘heteronormative’ institution of marriage fro the very beginning. For instance, the feminist, lesbian academic from RMIT in Melbourne, Dr Caroline Norma wrote:

A “no” vote in the postal plebiscite by all right-minded citizens is crucial for turning this ship around, and bringing back to Australian public life the sparky radicalism of lesbians and gays not so eager to reflect back to heterosexuals their own image tediously magnified.


So, there you have it, folks. The vast majority of the Australian public has been conned. The LGBTIQ community never really wanted to get married. At least, that’s what 94.3 per cent of them actually think. But that shouldn’t really surprise us, because as Marsha Gessen, the lesbian political activist, told the 2012 Sydney Writer’s Festival: “Fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there. Because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change. And that is a lie.
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by cods » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:18 pm

when you think how much the bloody postal cost...thats without all the man hours and talk fest that stopped any other work in parliament to get even a look in....plus I believe our cops were called out because of harassment and other issues in the lead up....


its like a lot of things.... put on a temper tanny to get what you want only to find you didnt want it in the first place..

this should be highlighted more.... give all those who thought this is a turning point all the crying and hugging....

well we tried to tell you it was all baloney but you wouldnt listen..

did it say how many divorces are pending... :thumb :thumb

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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by BigP » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:46 pm

Biggest mistake you Aussies made was to go through all that carry on. Over here we just put it before parliament and they voted it in,
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:15 am

Just as many hetro couples are not getting married, same sex are probably not getting married for the same reason, the risk of the financial coupling vs the reward. They are not goign to have kids... a good reason to get married... the legal ownership of assets and the divide when they split....

IMO a large portion of them do not have life long relationships as compared to hetro couples. If you have known gay couples, some are long lasting by most from my experience are not. 2 years is a very long relationship.

Why bother.

I don't care, let them have the legal right to be bound in law as the rest of us if they choose that level of commitment... but it is that commitment that will lead most not to get married. If we were not going to have kids... why marry... except to ensure asset ownership in the event of one of our deaths or on separation and equal divide.
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:00 pm

A UK doctor who was sacked for refusing to refer to transgender people by their preferred gender pronoun says there is a “climate of fear” in his profession with staff “trained to inform” on one another for breaching discrimination laws.

Dr David Mackereth’s contract as a medical assessor for the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) was terminated three weeks ago on the grounds that his refusal to use transgender pronouns could be considered harassment under the 2010 Equality Act.

The 55-year-old said his refusal to comply with the edict from the DWP had effectively ended his career, as he would never be hired for another government or National Health Service job again.


“As a Christian, I believe gender is determined biologically and genetically,” he told The Daily Mail. “I knew it could be the end of my work as a doctor, but I could not live with myself if I didn’t speak up. It would be dishonest — and I didn’t want to live a lie.”

After voicing his objections, Dr Mackereth was called into a meeting with a manager at his employment agency. “He asked, ‘If a man asked him to call you ‘Mrs’, would you do it?’ I said I couldn’t,” he said.

“If somebody has male XY chromosomes and male genitalia I cannot in good conscience call them a woman. We agreed I wouldn’t come into work until the DWP had decided what would happen to me.”

Dr Mackereth said it was “not a question of whether we agree or disagree but whether we are free to say so”.

“I believe with all my heart that God made us male and female and that I should be allowed to believe this,” he said.

“I’m not out to upset anyone. I care deeply about transgender people. But we must be able to say what we think, and defend what we believe in a non-combative way. Otherwise we will turn into a dictatorial state in which we are all enslaved.”

In his entire 26-year career, he said he had only ever treated one genuine transgender patient, but that anyone who questioned the fashionable theory that gender is a social construct risked being “lynched”.

Doctors are now advised by the British Medical Association to refer to pregnant women as “pregnant people” to avoid offending transgender people.

Dr Mackereth said there was a “climate of fear” emerging among doctors about the new protocols.

“There is very little talk between staff these days because none of us knows what the rules are,” he said. “We are trained to inform on another doctor if they are unfit to practise and no one wants to get reported.

“There is a belief we cannot say what we think in case we get accused of harassment. Nurses coming across patients with male genitalia on female wards have whispered to me that the situation is wrong.

“Some of my colleagues — senior doctors — are fired up by what happened to me, but what am I supposed to say to them?

“After all, if they say the same thing as me, will the country start losing much-needed, remarkable surgeons who are no longer considered fit to work because they used the wrong pronoun?”


In 2016, Canadian psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson shot to fame over his opposition to anti-discrimination legislation which made it illegal to refuse to refer to a transgender person by their preferred gender pronoun.

Dr Peterson, author of the best-selling book 12 Rules For Life, has aggressively campaigned against so-called “compelled speech” — being forced by law to say something you don’t believe.

It’s a demand that the population uses a certain kind of linguistic approach,” he said on a tour of Australia earlier this year. “It’s an appropriation of speech. There’s no excuse for that. That never has happened once in the history of English common law. It’s a barrier that we do not cross.”
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by boxy » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:49 pm

So, you were pissed at the thought of them getting married and now you're pissed that many of them are not getting married.

Boo fucking hoo, fucking snowflakes :roll:
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:55 pm

In the lead up to the plebiscite the only one person (an Irish backpacker) expressed support for the proposal to me, everyone else I spoke with (mainly work colleges) were opposed. Now I realise this situation may be completely reversed in cities, but at the time here in Hicksville nobody eligible to support it would admit the intended to.

Having a suspicious mind, I can't help but wonder if Malcolm got the Census bureau rather than the Electoral Commission to hold the plebiscite because if the Electoral Commission rigs the result it's a federal crime, but if the Census bureau does it, it's just fudging a few figures. So I'm not entirely convinced that the same sex marriage proposal genuinely got the public endorsement we're told it did.

Now if same sex marriage legalisation was just about marriage I wouldn't really care, as I have no desire to get married, so it's a non agenda for me.
But I don't believe same sex marriage is actually about marriage, I believe it's about gaining access to children.
Homosexuals can already adopt children but a marriage gives the application greater standing.
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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by BigP » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:56 pm

Yogi, if a couple of guys want to tie the knot, Its small change

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Re: Beyond legalising same sex marriage

Post by Raven » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:31 pm

At the end of the day we gave a section of law abiding citizens the right the rest of us enjoy.

Who can be against that?
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Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:28 pm

At the end of the day, it was pandering to cultural Marxists who, yet again, co-opted the minority within a minority group to impose an agenda on the rest of society to hasten their vision of approved behavioural modification via state sponsored force.
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