Insight - Muslim Mess

[Rorschach]

If you ever doubted that Islam was a problem and Muslims were a problem, then tonight's INSIGHT on SBS should have cured you of all doubt.
They don't know if they are Arthur or Martha.
Coming or going.
About the only thing they agree on is that they are victims and it's always someone elses fault.

[Rorschach]

A discussion around why some Australian Muslims join the Islamic State reached fever pitch last night after a 19-year-old IS supporter walked off the set of Insight.
By SBS
13 AUG 2014 - 8:37 PM UPDATED 13 AUG 2014 - 8:41 PM

Disillusionment and a sense of isolation have been pinpointed as possible reasons for Australian Muslims joining the Islamic State. The poor dears.... give me a break.

During a discussion on SBS's Insight programme last night, 19-year-old Abu Bakr expressed support for the Islamic State and for Australians who chose to support its cause.

"They don't want to bring anything but justice," he said of the group.

When asked by host Jenny Brockie what justice was, he responded:

"Justice is giving, giving the right of the people, giving the rights to the people, feeding the people, sheltering the people, clothing the people." Then they showed how giving they really were by putting bullets into the cars of innocent people just driving along and into the bodies of people they had rounded up.

But when the conversation later moved to talk of the government cancelling passports, Mr Bakr and his lawyer walked off the set. Of course this government action just caused Muslim outrage, again they were the innocent victims...

Watch the full Insight episode:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014 ... nsight-set

There is no cohesion in Islam.
Every Imam has his own version of the Islamic truth and how the Quran should be interpreted and practiced.
Islamic leaders are not leaders they are picked out of a hat and sat atop Islamic organisations which fulfill no real purpose except to separate Muslims from the rest of our society. The so-called head of Muslims in Australia was laughed at by his own people and said things like "we are here in Australia" etc... careful not to say we are Australians.

Send them back.
Wall them in.
Let them kill each other off.
We will be better off without them.

[Rorschach]

Terrorism supporters to lose dole payments, says Tony Abbott
Date August 16, 2014 - 3:39PM

Australian terrorism supporters will have their unemployment benefits and other welfare payments cut off.

In a significant crackdown on homegrown extremists, Prime Minister Tony Abbott says new legislation would allow the Department of Human Services to cancel benefits to those assessed as a serious threat to national security.

"These new measures will ensure Australian taxpayers are not financing people known to be members of, or working with, terrorist organisations," he said in a statement on Saturday.

Mr Abbott said under current arrangements, welfare payments can only be suspended or cancelled for those who don't meet social security eligibility rules.

That includes failing to fulfil participation, residence or portability qualifications.

The government has already cut benefits to those abroad, but not extremists in Australia who continue to meet eligibility requirements.

Mr Abbott said he was committed to ensuring Australians engaged in terrorist activities were not receiving taxpayer-funded welfare payments.

He said legislation would be introduced to ensure benefits can be promptly stopped for people identified by national security agencies as involved in extremist conduct.

"The new legislation will enable the Department of Human Services to cancel a person's welfare payment if it receives advice that a person has been assessed as a serious threat to Australia's national security," he said in the statement.

Advice will be provided by the Attorney-General, Minister for Foreign Affairs or Minister for Immigration and Border Protection.

"Ministers will exercise discretion and take into account all relevant factors including advice from national security agencies, before requesting cancellation of welfare payments," he said.

Mr Abbott said the government would also ensure relevant agencies worked more closely together to share information on issues of national security where that relates to cancelling welfare to those regarded as posing a threat.

"Australians travelling to Syria, Iraq, and other conflict zones to engage in, or support, terrorist activities are committing criminal offences," he said.

Mr Abbott said Australia's welfare system already allowed payments to be suspended or cancelled for those who don't meet their obligations.

"This measure is based on the same principle. It is designed to make sure taxpayers' money is not being used to undermine Australia's national security," he said.

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We all know that the Muslim Community has many members that rort the system here in Australia. Multiple spouses against the law, living o/S, feigning a disability, etc, etc, etc....

IMO, those that go O/S and partake in butchery and war for another country or religious purpose, should have their passports cancelled and not be allowed to return. simple. Bye bye and don't come back... ever.
No pensions, no payments of any kind and no citizenship.

[skippy]

IMO, those that go O/S and partake in butchery and war for another country or religious purpose, should have their passports cancelled and not be allowed to return. simple. Bye bye and don't come back... ever.

I agree, do you have any evidence it's happening? I know Australian Muzzys are going overseas and fighting but how many have returned and pulled pensions or are even welcomed back?

In the spirit of fairness I also believe any Jew that goes to to Israel and joins the Israeli forces in the murder and destruction of Palestine should be treated the same.

[Black Orchid]

Anyone on benefits who continue to take overseas trips for whatever reason should have their benefits cancelled period.

[Rorschach]

IMO, those that go O/S and partake in butchery and war for another country or religious purpose, should have their passports cancelled and not be allowed to return. simple. Bye bye and don't come back... ever.

I agree, do you have any evidence it's happening? I know Australian Muzzys are going overseas and fighting but how many have returned and pulled pensions or are even welcomed back?

In the spirit of fairness I also believe any Jew that goes to to Israel and joins the Israeli forces in the murder and destruction of Palestine should be treated the same.

You're not keeping up with the news are you Skip.
Oh and BTW The Israel/Palestine issue is completely different.
They pulled pensions BTW before they went O/S.
Check it out. The guy whose son was holding up the head was on an invalid pension.

[Rorschach]

Anyone on benefits who continue to take overseas trips for whatever reason should have their benefits cancelled period.

Yes well there are lots of Lebs pulling that rort.
It was pointed out last time Hezbollah went berko.

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From that darling of the Progressive Left... Malcolm Fraser

Prime Minister's calls for Team Australia 'divisive' and 'counter-productive', former PM Malcolm Fraser says
AM By Deborah Cornwall
Sat 23 Aug 2014, 11:39am

Former Liberal prime minister Malcolm Fraser has labelled Tony Abbott's use of the term Team Australia "divisive" and "counter-productive".

Mr Abbott used the phrase when announcing plans for new anti-terrorism laws, raising concerns among community leaders.

The Islamic Council of Victoria (ICV), which represents more than 150,000 Muslims, boycotted Mr Abbott's meeting with Muslim leaders in Melbourne after he told a radio station that "everyone has got to be on Team Australia".

Mr Fraser said the Prime Minister's choice of language was "terrible".

"It resonates very, very badly with Australia's ethnic communities," he told AM.

"If I were still a member of the Liberal Party I would be totally distraught. I am interested in policy and very much interested in what's going to happen in the next week, next month, next year.

"You have got to be able to debate, and using that term is almost an attempt to stop or to shut down debate."

The Race Discrimination Commissioner has warned the Prime Minister and Federal Government should be careful not to cause divisions among the Arab and Muslim community.

Honestly the man is getting worse with every day... as for those Muslims that find offence where there is none, are uncooperative and divisive... you can always go back to the ME.

[Rorschach]

These are the sort of people we allow here.
I say... deport them.

Terrifying legacy emerges from success of Operation Pendennis
Date August 24, 2014
Rachel Olding
Reporter

Almost a decade after their arrest, much of the most comprehensive terrorism cell in Australian history continues to menace the country with the same messages of violence and anti-Western hate, which are being spread either by cell members or some of their close relatives.

Nine Sydney men were arrested in 2005 under Operation Pendennis, the largest counter-terrorism investigation undertaken in Australia, which uncovered jihadist cells in Melbourne and Sydney amassing guns, ammunition and bomb-making equipment to use in terrorist attacks on home soil.

Ongoing acts of extremism by some relatives of more than half the Sydney cell members raise questions about what influence family can have on the radicalisation of young Australians.

The cell has re-entered the spotlight with the gruesome actions of one member, Khaled Sharrouf, who slipped out of the country allegedly using his brother's passport last year to join the terrorist group Islamic State, formerly known as ISIL.

A psychiatrist and judge cautiously believed Sharrouf would abandon his radical beliefs upon his release from prison in 2009 but he is now one of Australia's most wanted terrorists, along with Mohamed Elomar, whose jailed uncle Mohamed Ali Elomar was Sharrouf's Pendennis co-accused.

Elomar senior was close with his nephews, brothers Ahmed and Mohamed, who protested their uncle's innocence during the landmark Pendennis trials.

Khaled Cheikho, and his nephew Moustafa Cheikho, are both being held in a high-security unit in Prison. Their close family is believed to pose a security threat to Australia. The nephews' father Mamdouh and uncles Ibrahim and John became highly successful businessmen. Ahmed and Mohamed travelled a different path. Ahmed bashed a police officer during the 2012 Hyde Park riot and Mohamed recently posed with severed heads on the Syrian battlefield, saying "love it keep them heads rolling".

Family lawyer Adam Houda denied the influence came from their uncle, saying the brothers would have visited Elomar once in the nine years he has been incarcerated. "[Mohamed junior] has gone about things, we say, the wrong way but the person I know ... he's very sincere and always very motivated and very touched and distressed by what's happening abroad," Mr Houda said.

Close relatives of the Sydney cell's ringleader Khaled Cheikho and his nephew Moustafa Cheikho, who are both in a high-risk prison unit, continue to pose a security threat to Australia, authorities believe.

Khaled Cheikho's wife, Rahmah Wisudo, lives in Jordan with their son and was named in a 2010 US embassy cable as one of 11 Australians to be placed on a no-fly list due to "demonstrated links" with al-Qaeda.

Rahmah's mother Rabiah Hutchinson, often referred to as the "matriarch of radical Islam in Australia", and half-brothers Illias and Abdullah Ayub, who were detained in Yemen in 2006 on terrorism charges, were also named in the cable due to their demonstrated links to al-Qaeda. Ayub was released without charge.

Illias has since emerged on the Syrian battlefield and has been hailed a hero by his family.

"May Allah always protect or reward him with martyrdom if killed," said his father, Abdul Rahman Ayub, a former Jemaah Islamiah leader who fled Australia after the Bali bombings.

In recent months, Rahmah has posted support for al-Qaeda leader Ayman Mohammed Rabie al-Zawahiri and "mujahideen in the battle fields".

In one Facebook post she said: "'suicidal bombing' is what the kuffar [non-believers] call it we muslims call it 'martyrdom operations' and it is allowed in Islam."

Her bank accounts were recently frozen and her 15-year-old son has posted a picture of a machine gun and his name Zubair spelt out with bullets.

Khaled Cheikho's brother Adnan maintains his brother's and nephew's innocence and was allowed to visit Khaled for the first time in February after a five-year security lock-out. On Facebook he described him as underweight but smiley. "What a soldier," he said.

Former counter-terrorism officer Peter Moroney, who monitored Pendennis members for 18 months, said the indoctrination was so deep in some families that combating it went far beyond law enforcement. He believed extremist Facebook posts were the start of the indoctrination process.

"It's not just dad, at some point other family members are brought into it so it doesn't surprise me if some of the relatives are involved [today] in that capacity," he said..

"When that's what you're taught from a young age, what do you expect them to grow into?"

Some relatives of cell members Mohammed Omar Jamal, Mazen Touma and Omar Baladjam also remain under the gaze of authorities.

A judge found that Jamal was largely influenced by his older brother Saleh, described by the government as critical to the evolution of jihadism in Australia. Saleh fled Sydney on a false passport in 2004, was convicted of terrorism offences in Lebanon and, while in prison, threatened to fly a plane into the Harbour Bridge and said he would "chop up" John Howard.

Saleh kneeled on the ground as he was released from Nowra prison last year after being acquitted over the Lakemba police station shooting.

Saleh has since started a property investment business and police sources believe the family is trying to make an honest living and hope to help Mohammed turn his life around after prison.

Members of the Jamal, Cheikho and Sharrouf families remain close. Khaled Sharrouf's sister Miriam remains friends with Omar Baladjam's wife, posting a message on her behalf in June to protest the "oppressive and inhumane treatment" of their "brothers" in Goulburn's Supermax and despairing at the lonely wives and orphan children "missing their fathers' daily company, guidance and care".

In his sentencing remarks in 2009, Judge Anthony Whealy said the cell members showed little remorse and few signs of deradicalisation. Many "wear their imprisonment like some kind of badge of honour", he said.

A court found all nine cell members had vast quantities of extremist material, including thousands of images and videos of executions, and they shared the same violent hatred of non-believers and intolerance of Australia.

A study by Australian Institute of Criminology researcher Shandon Harris-Hogan has found the influence of family is the "key driver" of radicalisation among Australia's "small but persistent" jihadist network. "In order to prevent further radicalisation and potentially a catastrophic act of mass-casualty terrorism, focus needs to be directed towards addressing the close family and friendship influences which draw people into the network," he concludes in the study, published in Security Challenges this year. ASIO would not comment on specific operations.

A spokesman for the NSW Police said they "continue to monitor and engage with communities at risk of either being victims of, or engaging in acts of extremism".

"In recent years the NSW Police Force has investigated and disrupted a number of planned activities," the spokesman said.

The Pendennis Nine
1.Khaled Sharrouf
Convicted of conspiracy to do acts in preparation for a terrorist act. Obtained six clocks and 140 batteries to be used in bombs.

The 33 year-old father-of-five from Punchbowl is married to convert Tara Nettleton.

Sentenced to 4 years, released in 2009.

2. Khaled Cheikho
Khaled was described as the ringleader of the Sydney cell.

Born in Lebanon as one of 11, he is a 42 year-old father-of-one.

Sentenced to 20 years.

3.Moustafa Cheikho
Khaled’s nephew Moustafa was found with explosives and bomb-making tools.

The 38-year-old father and mechanic was described by a judge as having low self-esteem.

Sentenced to 19½ years.

4. Mohamed Ali Elomar
Described in court as the “puppet master” of the Sydney cell and given the longest prison term due to his leadership role.

The married father of six, who operated his own drafting business, would be 50 years old.

Sentenced to 21 years.

5.Mohammed Omar Jamal
A judge found he was largely influenced by his older brother Saleh’s radical beliefs. He was found guilty of obtaining bomb-making materials.

An Australian-born 31-year-old computer repairman with eight brothers and four sisters.

Sentenced to 17 years.

6. Mazen Touma
Convicted for obtaining firearms, ammunition and explosives.

Now 33, raised in a moderate Islamic family, divorced by his Greek Orthodox-born wife after his arrest but informally married the sister of a prisoner while awaiting trial.

Sentenced to 20 years.

7. Abdul Rakib Hasan
Collected equipment and chemicals for a terrorist act. Grew up in a large poverty-stricken Bangladeshi family and moved to Australia to study but worked as a butcher in Lakemba. Would now be 49.

Divorced by convert wife, Shahida Steele, with whom he had four children. Largely abandoned by his family.

Sentenced to 19½ years.

8.Omar Baladjam
Acquired ammunition, chemicals and firearms.

A 38 year-old father of four, born in Manly. Had a troubled upbringing, ran a painting company. Wife and mother most likely relocated to Malaysia after his arrest.

There was a message posted online recently by Sharrouf's sister Miriam from Baladjam's wife demanding his release.

Sentenced to 20 years.

9. Mirsad Mulahalilovic
Possessed firearms and ammunition and released in 2010.

Bosnian-born Muslim convert, 38, who ran a painting business in Sydney.

Since his release, he has established another painting business and is living in Belmore.

Named in a 2010 US embassy cable as one of 23 Australians under ASIO surveillance due to links with al-Qaeda.

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