She asked for it

[mantra]

"She asked for it" - incredible how this reason for murder is still being peddled and it's working - at least in Victoria. On the other hand in 2005 a self defence law was brought in specifically to help females who were being battered and abused and had to defend themselves. Since then 20 men using this defence have been given lenient sentences after killing other men, while in the same period only 3 women have had the same advantage.

Judges are still feeling sympathy for those men who have killed females due to alleged provocation with excuses ''such as the nagging woman, the unfaithful or departing wife, or a woman who impugns his masculinity''.

The latter claim was made by James Ramage, who in 2003 bashed and strangled his wife of 23 years, Julie Ramage. His lawyers successfully argued he was provoked into killing her because she had taunted him about loving someone else, and how sex with him had repulsed her. Ramage was convicted of manslaughter, not murder, and spent seven years in jail.

In November 2009, Anthony Sherna pleaded not guilty to murdering his partner, Susanne Wild. Sherna told police he was drunk and lost his temper in February the previous year when Ms Wild charged at him in anger with a query over a mobile phone bill, frightening his dog, Hubble, which he was rocking to sleep.

Sherna admitted strangling Ms Wild and later burying her body in the backyard, but claimed he had been subjected to years of mental abuse, infidelity, sexual taunting, threats and controlling behaviour. Justice David Beach accepted Ms Wild had been ''controlling and domineering''. Sherna was convicted of manslaughter and given a minimum 10 years in jail.

Using the self defence claim - this powerful male will get as little as 6 years for stabbing his girlfriend in the back 4 times.

In May 2010, Luke John Middendorp became the first man to be convicted of defensive homicide against a woman, for stabbing his partner in the back four times. Victims-of-crime groups were outraged.

Middendorp stood at more than 186 centimetres and weighed more than 90 kilograms - almost twice the size of Jade Bownds, 22, who he claimed tried to attack him.

When Ms Bownds staggered from the Brunswick house where she had been mortally wounded in September 2008, Middendorp was heard to say, ''You filthy slut, you got what you deserved.''

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[AnimalMother]

This is sexist twaddle.

Of course, whenever a woman kills a man, feminists say "He asked for it". But they cry foul if anyone does the same thing when a man kills a woman!

Feminists wanted a get-out-of-jail-free card for women who murdered men. Now they're upset because it's also being used by men.

If it's okay for women to murder their husbands, then it's okay for men to murder their wives. That's equality.

Personally, I don't think either is okay, but then I'm not a feminist.

[mantra]

Of course it's sexist! Surely males have progressed a bit further than continually coming up with the same tired old excuse - "she asked for it". They use it as an excuse to rape, murder and torture and women are made to feel guilty because of it. Some men are almost as bad as Muslims in their sexist excuses to violate a female.

Can a woman use the same defence to kill when a child or man annoys her?

If it's okay for women to murder their husbands, then it's okay for men to murder their wives. That's equality.

It doesn't appear that way. At least the courts by now should allow both sexes to use the same excuses. Few judges or juries feel sorry for a female when she murders her husband because of his obnoxious habits.

Personally, I don't think either is okay, but then I'm not a feminist.

The word feminist is over-used by males and infers the female is some ball breaking dyke when in actual fact it is only a female who desires equal status alongside a male counterpart.

[AnimalMother]

Can a woman use the same defence to kill when a child or man annoys her?

Yes. Women can, and do, use the same defence. And it works.

The feminists are whingeing because the excuse they want only to be used by women, is also being used by men.

If it's okay for women to murder their husbands, then it's okay for men to murder their wives. That's equality.

It doesn't appear that way. At least the courts by now should allow both sexes to use the same excuses. Few judges or juries feel sorry for a female when she murders her husband because of his obnoxious habits.

Not true. In fact, for many years, courts and judges have been letting off female murderers because "he asked for it".

The whole point of the article you linked is about feminists complaining because sometimes men use the same excuse that is used by women. Feminists hate equality.

[freediver]

It doesn't appear that way. At least the courts by now should allow both sexes to use the same excuses. Few judges or juries feel sorry for a female when she murders her husband because of his obnoxious habits.

Yes they do Mantra. It is so 'normal' it barely rates a mention. Just because it is not as newsworthy does not mean it doesn't happen.

[Bart]

Few judges or juries feel sorry for a female when she murders her husband because of his obnoxious habits.

Which is why judges allow women to walk free even after they admit to murdering their husband.
And which is why the ABC and other mediums also portray women as angels and men as evil.

[mantra]

It doesn't appear that way. At least the courts by now should allow both sexes to use the same excuses. Few judges or juries feel sorry for a female when she murders her husband because of his obnoxious habits.

Yes they do Mantra. It is so 'normal' it barely rates a mention. Just because it is not as newsworthy does not mean it doesn't happen.

Normal!! It's more normal to hear of a man murdering someone. Let the females have their own defence seeing as the ratio of their homicides are minimal compared to those of males.

[Bart]

Let the females have their own defence seeing as the ratio of their homicides are minimal compared to those of males.

That's just it women get away with murder/homicide and due to their gender get lighter charges & sentences of manslaughter and then get a slap on the wrist!!!!!

[mantra]

Let the females have their own defence seeing as the ratio of their homicides are minimal compared to those of males.

That's just it women get away with murder/homicide and due to their gender get lighter charges & sentences of manslaughter and then get a slap on the wrist!!!!!

One of the blokes mentioned above was twice the size of his girlfriend who he stabbed in the back 4 times. He used the self defence excuse. Do you understand why people become upset at the exploitation of this defence and the male judges who sympathise with them?

[boxy]

I'm sure he still got years in jail, though, yeah?

Males are more likely to physically injure women, but women are quite skilled in psychologically injuring their partners (although I wouldn't say more skilled than men). It can be a mitigating circumstance, just like years of physical abuse by men can mitigate a woman fighting back with deadly force.