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Should animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings

Yes - they should - after all we are animals too
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Yes - because we should respect the rights of thinking beings
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No - god made us to rule over the animals
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No - they are just animals and I like whale meat
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No - what a crock of shit led by do gooders who have nothing better to do
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Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by Super Nova » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:01 am

An interesting article that could only hapopen in the US.

I have some sympathy with PETA. Higher thinking animals like whales must have a shit life and are really enslaved.

However once we start down this slippery slope, there is nowhere to stop.

The article.

'We're talking about hell unleashed': whales sue Sea World

A federal judge for the first time in US history heard arguments in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings.

US District Judge Jeffrey Miller called the hearing in San Diego after Sea World asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that names five orcas as plaintiffs in the case.

PETA claims the captured killer whales are treated like slaves for being forced to live in tanks and perform daily at its parks in San Diego and Orlando, Fla.

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Orca Tilikum watches SeaWorld trainers take a break during a training session at theentertainment group's Orlando theme park. Photo: AP

"This case is on the next frontier of civil rights," said PETA's attorney Jeffrey Kerr, representing the five orcas.

Sea World's attorney Theodore Shaw called the lawsuit a waste of the court's time and resources. He said it defies common sense and goes against 125 years of case law applied to the Constitution's 13th amendment that prohibits slavery between humans.

"With all due respect, the court does not have the authority to even consider this question," Shaw said, adding later: "Neither orcas nor any other animal were included in the 'We the people' ... when the Constitution was adopted."


'Kept as slaves' ... Jeffrey Kerr outside court. Photo: AP

Miller listened to both sides for an hour before announcing that he would take the case under advisement and issue his ruling at a later date. The judge raised doubts a court can allow animals to be plaintiffs in a lawsuit, and he questioned how far the implications of a favorable ruling could reach, pointing out the military's use of dolphins and scientists' experiments on whales in the wild.

Kerr acknowledged PETA faces an uphill battle but he said he was hopeful after Monday's hearing.

"This is an historic day," Kerr said. "For the first time in our nation's history, a federal court heard arguments as to whether living, breathing, feeling beings have rights and can be enslaved simply because they happen to not have been born human. By any definition these orcas have been enslaved here."

The issue is not about whether the animals have been subjected to abuse, the defense said. If the court were to grant orcas constitutional rights, Shaw warned the ruling would have profound implications that could impact everything from the way the U.S. government uses dogs to sniff out bombs and drugs to how zoos and aquariums operate.

"We're talking about hell unleashed," he said.

PETA said a ruling in its favor would only help to protect the orcas in the entertainment industry and other cases involving animals would have to be decided on their own merits.

Kerr said Sea World employees are in violation of the 13th amendment because their conduct is enslaving an intelligent, highly social species that suffers from its confinements in ways similar to what humans would experience.

Brushing animals off as property is the same argument that was used against African-Americans and women before their constitutional rights were protected, PETA says.

Shaw pointed out that argument does not translate because both women and African-Americans are people for which the Constitution was written to protect.

Miller did not specify when he would issue his ruling.

- AP


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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by FLEKTARN » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:42 pm

They recently wanted to classify pigeons and seagulls (birds) as drones and "not real". You can't fix stupid.

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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by BigP » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:58 pm

"" have some sympathy with PETA. Higher thinking animals like whales must have a shit life and are really enslaved.""

They should have got theit shit together a couple of hundered million years back and dragged themselves outta the briney in into a bit of evolution

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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by BigP » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:03 pm

FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:42 pm
They recently wanted to classify pigeons and seagulls (birds) as drones and "not real". You can't fix stupid.

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A couple of times over the last month I have a had drone fly over my home both times it came from the same direction, it was flying high and fast , the second time i spotted it coming from a long way off as the sun was setting and i could see it contrasting against the blue sky . i thought it was a bird initialy,

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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by FLEKTARN » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm

I think Chinese made a drone that looks exactly like a pigeon but nevertheless that doesn't mean that all birds are government drones. If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin
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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by BigP » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm

FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm
I If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin

Sounds like you have been watching "Breaking bad"

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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by FLEKTARN » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:01 pm

BigP wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm
I If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin

Sounds like you have been watching "Breaking bad"

I already forgot it. Now I'm onto Better Call Saul. :bgrin
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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by BigP » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:58 am

FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:01 pm
BigP wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm
I If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin

Sounds like you have been watching "Breaking bad"

I already forgot it. Now I'm onto Better Call Saul. :bgrin
Im into the second season of better call Saul , its a good watch

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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by FLEKTARN » Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 am

BigP wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:58 am
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:01 pm
BigP wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm
I If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin

Sounds like you have been watching "Breaking bad"

I already forgot it. Now I'm onto Better Call Saul. :bgrin
Im into the second season of better call Saul , its a good watch

But my favorite is TWD.
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Re: Should animals be classed as slaves

Post by BigP » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:12 am

FLEKTARN wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:54 am
BigP wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:58 am
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:01 pm
BigP wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm
FLEKTARN wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:58 pm
I If an idiot decides to mask a C4 bomb in a turtle and blows a bunch of people up, I don't think we should go and wipe out all turtles. :bgrin

Sounds like you have been watching "Breaking bad"

I already forgot it. Now I'm onto Better Call Saul. :bgrin
Im into the second season of better call Saul , its a good watch

But my favorite is TWD.

TWD ?

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