Adoption of children by gay couples

[Gordon]

I never suggested there is a gay gene, but what ever the cause, wiring of the brain, balance of hormones, I suspect it's predetermined at birth

No proof for that Gordon, that also depends on genetics.... twin studies negate those theories.

Just from my observations of gays I know. One example, a guy I worked with, middle son of 3 boys in a family of footy loving ute driving bogans, he popped out as queer as the day is long. No nurture element. I don't claim to know exactly what causes it, but he was 'wired up' gay.

[Rorschach]

I never suggested there is a gay gene, but what ever the cause, wiring of the brain, balance of hormones, I suspect it's predetermined at birth

No proof for that Gordon, that also depends on genetics.... twin studies negate those theories.

Just from my observations of gays I know. One example, a guy I worked with, middle son of 3 boys in a family of footy loving ute driving bogans, he popped out as queer as the day is long. No nurture element. I don't claim to know exactly what causes it, but he was 'wired up' gay.

I'm thinking I know a lot more gay people than you do Gordon.
I also think you assume that all gays are effeminate Gordon, they are not.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Bisexuals then eh

BTW sex isn't compulsory, you choose to have and with whom you have it with.

[Gordon]

I never suggested there is a gay gene, but what ever the cause, wiring of the brain, balance of hormones, I suspect it's predetermined at birth

No proof for that Gordon, that also depends on genetics.... twin studies negate those theories.

Just from my observations of gays I know. One example, a guy I worked with, middle son of 3 boys in a family of footy loving ute driving bogans, he popped out as queer as the day is long. No nurture element. I don't claim to know exactly what causes it, but he was 'wired up' gay.

I'm thinking I know a lot more gay people than you do Gordon.
I also think you assume that all gays are effeminate Gordon, they are not.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Bisexuals then eh

I never said all gays are fem. Btw I live in east subs sydney and have worked most of my life in media/arts industry. I've often been the token straight.

[Rorschach]

I never suggested there is a gay gene, but what ever the cause, wiring of the brain, balance of hormones, I suspect it's predetermined at birth

No proof for that Gordon, that also depends on genetics.... twin studies negate those theories.

Just from my observations of gays I know. One example, a guy I worked with, middle son of 3 boys in a family of footy loving ute driving bogans, he popped out as queer as the day is long. No nurture element. I don't claim to know exactly what causes it, but he was 'wired up' gay.

I'm thinking I know a lot more gay people than you do Gordon.
I also think you assume that all gays are effeminate Gordon, they are not.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Bisexuals then eh

I never said all gays are fem. Btw I live in east subs sydney and have worked most of my life in media/arts industry. I've often been the token straight.

Just from your "observations" and a "wired-up" gay... your words not mine Gordon.
You could be sitting next to a guy who is Bi or Gay and not observe anything that would lead you to think he was gay Gordon.

Who you have sex with is a choice...

oh and Gordon not all men in the Eastern Suburbs or working in the media/arts are gay, not even a majority of them. Let's not promote the stereotype eh.

[Black Orchid]

Your 'opinion' is no more valid than the next persons Rorschach and your anecdotal quotes, from God knows where, are hardly scientific evidence of your assertions.

[Gordon]

No proof for that Gordon, that also depends on genetics.... twin studies negate those theories.

Just from my observations of gays I know. One example, a guy I worked with, middle son of 3 boys in a family of footy loving ute driving bogans, he popped out as queer as the day is long. No nurture element. I don't claim to know exactly what causes it, but he was 'wired up' gay.

I'm thinking I know a lot more gay people than you do Gordon.
I also think you assume that all gays are effeminate Gordon, they are not.
Perhaps you'd like to explain Bisexuals then eh

I never said all gays are fem. Btw I live in east subs sydney and have worked most of my life in media/arts industry. I've often been the token straight.

Just from your "observations" and a "wired-up" gay... your words not mine Gordon.
You could be sitting next to a guy who is Bi or Gay and not observe anything that would lead you to think he was gay Gordon.

Who you have sex with is a choice...

oh and Gordon not all men in the Eastern Suburbs or working in the media/arts are gay, not even a majority of them. Let's not promote the stereotype eh.

I only draw a conclusion as to whether someone is gay if they tell me so. And sorry, but it's a fact a hell of a lot of gay guys work in media/arts/ent in the Eastern Subs.

Who you have sex with may be a choice for guys in prison with no access to women, but gay guys I've spoken to feel as repulsed by eating pussy as I would by eating dick.

[Rorschach]

Good grief Gordon you deny what you said and keep moving the goalposts...

YOU said OBSERVATIONS not me...
I've never said a lot of gays don't work in the media and arts... but I do know because I know a great many people both gay and otherwise in those fields that they are a minority just like they are in the greater population.
As for you sexual proclivities, I don't give a flying Sunshine, not everyone is into oral sex or anal sex etc, etc, etc... its all a choice.

[Malcolm_hates_your_kids]

I don't think your rationale of, " All children need to thrive is secure attachment(which is the template for trust)", cuts the mustard!

Actually it does, if you understand what attachment is. I am prepared to answer what attachment is, but it will take some work. I will do the work if you are in this to actually debate the points, play the ball, and take the topic seriously.

Do we have a deal?

Get stuffed: put up or shut up!

[Malcolm_hates_your_kids]

@ Nova

I believe you can be homosexual and not have a genectic predisposition to it. Therefore the term Poof vs gay.

Why would you do that? You're suggesting a 'poof' can be hetro but choose to fuck men because...?

It is not right for a child to grow up thinkign this is normal. It is a minority of the population. A child should have the chance to grow in as normal an environment as possible and them choose which way they turn when they are adults. A child will seek love and attention and unless the couple don't push their lifestyle as normal the kid will grow up thinking it is normal. It is acceptable for adults but is not normal.

There is nothing wrong with a child growing up thinking homosexuality is normal. The child won't become a homosexual merely because the people they were raised with are. Homosexuality is not catching.

Then why do perverts try to 'groom' children?

You have absolutely no brains Nicole and you are the reason this country made a bad choice in a non binding postal survey!

I don't have to listen to your bulldust about what is the best way to raise kids because you're clearly insane!

[Black Orchid]

Rein it in Malcolm