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[JW Frogen]

Skipped over the occasions where the man pushes the woman to have an abortion.

Is the father equally as guilty of murder then?

Murder is a legal term, no.

Killing, yes.

[Aussie]

Okay Frogen.

Explain the difference between murder and killing.

[JW Frogen]

All murder is killing but not all killing is murder.That is why there are degrees of murder, 1st degree, manslaughter, justifyable homicide ect.The law maintains that the nature of killing is defined by its motive and or circumstances.

Shoot and kill a cop in the act of committing a crime you have committed murder.

Be a cop and shoot back at some in self defense, kill them and you have not committed murder.

Both people have killed.

Kill a new born life and it is murder, kill a life three weeks in the womb and it is not.

Both people have killed.

Murder is a legal term; it’s nature changes with law.

Killing is an act that does not change with law, if it was alive and you terminated it, you killed it.

[Auzgurl]

When i said last night I agree with you in essence frogen I meant simply that i do, I have the ability to understand your point as well as having my own..that does not mean I forgoe my own POV..nothing is ever black or white. When pple are so pedantic sometimes its a case of I give up rather than argue with an emotive person [fuelled perhaps by Jim beam] who is using the old "you are a mudererer" as their core arguement and anyone who argues for a case for abortion is no better.

There are so many variaibles and for me to simply say you are right and I am wrong is too simplistic ..

I have another post of yours I lfted off PA2..Ill repost it later..its somewhat different to your current stance in relation to rationalising death.
You can make excusese for yourself having killed pple..BUT try to crucify women for having to make much more complex differentiations regarding their own life and that of the unborn.

[Auzgurl]

Abortion is killing.

Does this mean I am against abortion?

No, some times killing is necessary to prevent greater evils, the destruction of a new life if it will save a mother’s life, her health or emotional stability may be justified.

Some times we have to kill.

This is yours Frogen..sounds to me that your veiws are not too far removed from who advocate in favour of abortion for these reasons..

are you confused?

[JW Frogen]

No, my quote is exactly what I have been saying the entire thread, it is justifiable killing. (Though that is my opinion, but because it is killing it is ridiculous to expect all people to agree it is justifiable, indeed much of the world would disagree, even many women in the world.)

Pretending it is not killing simply to make it easier to kill is what I have the problem with for the many reasons I have explained.

[Auzgurl]

You would make a great Australian pollie frogen..you have the manadatory drink problem and have the gift of the proverbial gab..bullshit flying in all directions splattering the walls in flattering shade of baby shit brown.
A bet either way..mmm you learn fast..Move over DT..Senator Frogen is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. ha ha

drop the yank accent tho'....

[Jovial Monk]

But if a woman takes the morning-after pill after each one-night stand she is not pregnant each time so is that killing?

PS liked that you included men in the killing, they do exert huge pressure sometimes for purely selfish reasons.

[Auzgurl]

But if a woman takes the morning-after pill after each one-night stand she is not pregnant each time so is that killing?

PS liked that you included men in the killing, they do exert huge pressure sometimes for purely selfish reasons.

Only if she actually conceived and whilst the chances are small.. prolifers by defintion they would say yes..cells at any division are the beginnings of life in their scenario and essentially thats right..but its a precautionary measure so noone ever knows at the time.

[Jovial Monk]

No one ever knows. . .so is that killing?