Proof of God

[Super Nova]

[Rorschach]

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That is a pretty dumb quote.

[Rorschach]

"Christians believe you can come back from the dead after a couple of days after lying in a hot an sweaty cave."
That's a BULLSHIT statement... only Jesus was resurrected in such a manner... the general "you" is clearly Bullshit.
Pull the other one SN... it plays jingle bells

Well excuse me.

Christians believe a human can come back from the dead.... don't they. I special human that is the son of god that died for our sins.

Lazarus came back from the dead too apparently he was completely human.
Jesus was human and the Son of God.
And yes you did get it wrong didn't you...

[Rorschach]

Roach, if we were to even have a discussion on this, I am sure it would go something like this.

Christian: “Everything with a beginning requires a cause. The universe has a beginning and therefore requires a cause. That cause is God.” God is a cause? You mean like universal suffrage? You do use strange terminology SN. I doubt very much a Christian would use that terminology. They may say that God caused everything to come into existence.
Atheist: “Even if it were true that everything with a beginning requires a cause, how do you know that the cause of the universe is God? They would say... FAITH how many times must you be told that? Some would quote the book of Genesis. Why not a big bang? Who said God didn't create the Big Bang? Let there be light. Maybe this universe sprang from another universe, as some physicists now believe. And who created the other Universe?

Christian: “The living creatures of this world clearly exhibit design. Therefore, they must have a designer. And that designer is God.” Could be how will you disprove that? Even some scientist believe in Intelligent Design.

Atheist: “The living creatures only appear to be designed. Natural selection can account for this apparent design. Poorly adapted organisms tend to die off, and do not pass on their genes.” Who is to say intelligent design is not itself part of creations programming and who was the programmer and designer? Prove it wasn't God.

Christian: “But living creatures have irreducible complexity. All their essential parts must be in place at the same time, or the organism dies. So God must have created these parts all at the same time. A gradual evolutionary path simply will not work.” Another garbage quote?

Atheist: “Just because you cannot imagine a gradual stepwise way of constructing an organism does not mean there isn’t one.” It doesn't say in the Bible that evolution is wrong or that it wasn't the way God chose life to evolve.

Christian: “DNA has information in it—the instructions to form a living being. And information never comes about by chance; it always comes from a mind. So DNA proves that God created the first creatures.” Another garbage quote.

Atheist: “There could be an undiscovered mechanism that generates information in the DNA. Give us time, and we will eventually discover it. And even if DNA did come from intelligence, why would you think that intelligence is God? Maybe aliens seeded life on earth.” And who created this as yet undiscovered mechanism SN? Who created the Aliens surely if God created everything then that includes the aliens.

Christian: “The Resurrection of Jesus proves the existence of God. Only God can raise the dead.” The life and death of Christ was prophesised. Do you know of anyone else being raised from the dead in such a manner?

Atheist: “You don’t really have any proof that Jesus rose from the dead. You cannot disprove it This section of the Bible is simply an embellished story. A hollow claim. And even if it were true, it proves nothing. It would prove that Christ came and died for our sins and that he has the power of life over death. Perhaps under certain rare chemical conditions, a dead organism can come back to life. It certainly doesn’t mean that there is a God.” Really, how does it in any way disprove there is one?

Christian: “The Bible claims that God exists, and that it is His Word to us. Furthermore, what the Bible says must be true, since God cannot lie.” What? The Bible is a book written by men. It is a history of events as much as anything else
Atheist: “That is a circular argument. Only if we knew in advance that God existed would it be reasonable to even consider the possibility that the Bible is His Word. If God does not exist—as I contend—then there is no reason to trust the Bible.” yet we should believe as you do because you have absolutely no proof of anything.

Christian: “Predictive prophecy shows that the Bible really must be inspired by God. All of the Old Testament prophecies concerning Christ, for example, were fulfilled. The odds of that happening by chance are very low.” yet the teachings of Christ are in the NEW Testament and the old testament is the Bible and history of the Jewish people.

Atheist: “A low probability isn’t the same as zero. People do win the lottery. Besides, maybe the Gospels have embellished what Jesus did, so that it would agree with the Old Testament prophecies. Perhaps some so-called prophetic books were actually written after the events they ‘predict.’ Maybe certain gifted individuals have abilities not yet understood by science and can occasionally predict the future. It certainly doesn’t prove the Bible is inspired by God.” Maybe this maybe that I'm just writing stuff to back my disbelief. I of course cannot prove anything I believe.

Christian: “I have personally experienced God, and so have many other Christians. He has saved us and transformed our lives. We know that He exists from experience.” maybe... how will you prove otherwise SN?

Atheist: “Unfortunately, your personal experiences are not open to investigation; I have only your word for it. And second, how do you know that such subjective feelings are really the result of God? The right drug might produce similar feelings.”

Well then it is up to you to prove otherwise isn't it and on that count you continually keep falling down

[Rorschach]

The real discussion on this subject would go like this.
Atheist; prove God exists.
Christian; There is no concrete proof God exists and their will be none until the End Times, where believers will be vindicated and non-believers will have to suit themselves. This is my belief, I have no proof of something that has not happened yet. The existence of God is hidden from us because the test of belief is FAITH.

[mantra]

Care to make a sensible sentence that means something for a change mantra... Don't slander people on public sites you idiot. I don't force my religion down peoples throats nor do I think my beliefs make me better than them. I guess that just makes you a lying bitch.

I just argue the facts with facts.

I'm not slandering anyone - although you seem to be doing plenty of it. You are the one calling people names. You have always come across as being an authority on Christianity so therefore any differing opinion is worthless.

Christian; There is no concrete proof God exists and their will be none until the End Times, where believers will be vindicated and non-believers will have to suit themselves. This is my belief, I have no proof of something that has not happened yet. The existence of God is hidden from us because the test of belief is FAITH.

When it comes to proof of God - there are no facts. You would have to be dead to prove it if we are to believe the above statement.

[Rorschach]

Care to make a sensible sentence that means something for a change mantra... Don't slander people on public sites you idiot. I don't force my religion down peoples throats nor do I think my beliefs make me better than them. I guess that just makes you a lying bitch.

I just argue the facts with facts.

I'm not slandering anyone - although you seem to be doing plenty of it. You are the one calling people names. You have always come across as being an authority on Christianity so therefore any differing opinion is worthless. Blah blah blah oh dear you slander etc and whinge when you get called on it. I', no atheist mantra, I do know about Christianity, I can let people post lies and rubbish or I can post the facts. I make no claims to being better or authority. You seem to make them for me because YOU have issues with the facts

Christian; There is no concrete proof God exists and their will be none until the End Times, where believers will be vindicated and non-believers will have to suit themselves. This is my belief, I have no proof of something that has not happened yet. The existence of God is hidden from us because the test of belief is FAITH.

When it comes to proof of God - there are no facts.
Like I said... glad you agree sort of my statement is more correct.
You would have to be dead to prove it if we are to believe the above statement.
If you are dead you are dead mantra... again my statement is more factual regarding true Christian beliefs.

[Super Nova]

My comment prefixed with [SN]

Roach, if we were to even have a discussion on this, I am sure it would go something like this.

Christian: “Everything with a beginning requires a cause. The universe has a beginning and therefore requires a cause. That cause is God.” God is a cause? You mean like universal suffrage? You do use strange terminology SN. I doubt very much a Christian would use that terminology. They may say that God caused everything to come into existence.
[SN]If there is a beginning, it assumes that time is a constant beyond the universe we exist in. We current think there was a big bang, and therefore a beginning. There must be a cause. This cause doesn't have to be a deity. If may just be the mathematics of a multiverse. More believable to me than a an intelligent being.
Atheist: “Even if it were true that everything with a beginning requires a cause, how do you know that the cause of the universe is God? They would say... FAITH how many times must you be told that? Some would quote the book of Genesis. Why not a big bang? Who said God didn't create the Big Bang? Let there be light. Maybe this universe sprang from another universe, as some physicists now believe. And who created the other Universe?

[SN] Your faith and logic assumes there has to be a WHO. There in lines the problem. I se order in things that do not need a who. Have you seen crystals grow.
Christian: “The living creatures of this world clearly exhibit design. Therefore, they must have a designer. And that designer is God.” Could be how will you disprove that? Even some scientist believe in Intelligent Design.
[SN] I don't have to disprove anything. I believe there pink unicorns. Prove me wrong. So some scientist believe in intelligent design, so what, some is a meaningless quality. It is up to the person that makes a claim to prove it.

Atheist: “The living creatures only appear to be designed. Natural selection can account for this apparent design. Poorly adapted organisms tend to die off, and do not pass on their genes.” Who is to say intelligent design is not itself part of creations programming and who was the programmer and designer? Prove it wasn't God.
[SN] Yes, I like the idea that the universe was set off with a mathematical balance. No who was required for that balances. There could have been an infinite big bangs and only this one got the balance right to maintain an existence as we see.

Christian: “But living creatures have irreducible complexity. All their essential parts must be in place at the same time, or the organism dies. So God must have created these parts all at the same time. A gradual evolutionary path simply will not work.” Another garbage quote?

[SN] We agree on something then.

Atheist: “Just because you cannot imagine a gradual stepwise way of constructing an organism does not mean there isn’t one.” It doesn't say in the Bible that evolution is wrong or that it wasn't the way God chose life to evolve.

[SN] Evolution was known then as a theory even though humans had been breeding animals for traits for thousands of years, control by artificial selection not natural.

Christian: “DNA has information in it—the instructions to form a living being. And information never comes about by chance; it always comes from a mind. So DNA proves that God created the first creatures.” Another garbage quote. [SN] Agree

Atheist: “There could be an undiscovered mechanism that generates information in the DNA. Give us time, and we will eventually discover it. And even if DNA did come from intelligence, why would you think that intelligence is God? Maybe aliens seeded life on earth.” And who created this as yet undiscovered mechanism SN? Who created the Aliens surely if God created everything then that includes the aliens.

[SN] Again you demand a WHO. No WHO required. That's what time and chaos can create. Out of chaos there is sometimes a pocket of order. It only needed to occur once then it replicates. This is not too hard to understand is it?

Christian: “The Resurrection of Jesus proves the existence of God. Only God can raise the dead.” The life and death of Christ was prophesised. Do you know of anyone else being raised from the dead in such a manner?
[SN] Lazarus as you said in the bible. However I do not believe anyone was raised from the dead. It's just BS

Atheist: “You don’t really have any proof that Jesus rose from the dead. You cannot disprove it This section of the Bible is simply an embellished story. A hollow claim. And even if it were true, it proves nothing. It would prove that Christ came and died for our sins and that he has the power of life over death. Perhaps under certain rare chemical conditions, a dead organism can come back to life. It certainly doesn’t mean that there is a God.” Really, how does it in any way disprove there is one?

[SN] Just a bunch of BS. My unicorns can turn purple when they want you know. It is what I believe. Maybe jesus drank some of their blood s oJC could od a Voldemort.

Christian: “The Bible claims that God exists, and that it is His Word to us. Furthermore, what the Bible says must be true, since God cannot lie.” What? The Bible is a book written by men. It is a history of events as much as anything else
[SN] So the bible is not gods word and teaching to us then. Good, it is a bunch of words written by men. Good.

Atheist: “That is a circular argument. Only if we knew in advance that God existed would it be reasonable to even consider the possibility that the Bible is His Word. If God does not exist—as I contend—then there is no reason to trust the Bible.” yet we should believe as you do because you have absolutely no proof of anything.

[SN] I believe that I can accept you have your believes. When you seek to impose it on me and I don't accept it and you create consequences for me then I have a problem then. God is a personal thing. isn't it, you know this to be true.

Christian: “Predictive prophecy shows that the Bible really must be inspired by God. All of the Old Testament prophecies concerning Christ, for example, were fulfilled. The odds of that happening by chance are very low.” yet the teachings of Christ are in the NEW Testament and the old testament is the Bible and history of the Jewish people.

[SN] True. It is a good rule book on how to live at the times it was written with some valuable story on consequences.

Atheist: “A low probability isn’t the same as zero. People do win the lottery. Besides, maybe the Gospels have embellished what Jesus did, so that it would agree with the Old Testament prophecies. Perhaps some so-called prophetic books were actually written after the events they ‘predict.’ Maybe certain gifted individuals have abilities not yet understood by science and can occasionally predict the future. It certainly doesn’t prove the Bible is inspired by God.” Maybe this maybe that I'm just writing stuff to back my disbelief. I of course cannot prove anything I believe. [SN] That's right. And you know what, I don't expect you too.

Christian: “I have personally experienced God, and so have many other Christians. He has saved us and transformed our lives. We know that He exists from experience.” maybe... how will you prove otherwise SN?[/color][SN] I don't

Atheist: “Unfortunately, your personal experiences are not open to investigation; I have only your word for it. And second, how do you know that such subjective feelings are really the result of God? The right drug might produce similar feelings.”

Well then it is up to you to prove otherwise isn't it and on that count you continually keep falling down

[SN]I will not prove the non existence of god. You try and prove it's existence. let's make it easy. You prove the non-existence of my Pink Unicorns. Let's do that and see how you go. Let's reverse roles and see how you go.

[Rorschach]

You are wasting my time SN.
You provide no cooberative proof of your opinions.
You fail to understand that God indeed could be the answer to everything you deny or try to explain away... I don't get your inability to comprehend such things. that is some deep seated denial you have there.

[Super Nova]

You are wasting my time SN.
You provide no cooberative proof of your opinions.
You fail to understand that God indeed could be the answer to everything you deny or try to explain away... I don't get your inability to comprehend such things. that is some deep seated denial you have there.

I agree. Don't waste my time either.

God could explain everything and nothing.

The only thing a god could explain is it/they set out the ratios of matter to form the universe we have today at the time of the big bang. Otherwise god has no practical influence on anything since.

There you go. That's it.

Praying to him does help because he hasn't got involved since the BB, n billion years or so.

So that my opinion.