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Post by mellie » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:44 am

I never worked in psych, though had to do a mandatory 2nd year psych placement (at uni) for nursing and this drug was one commonly prescribed at two of the closed-ward facilities I did for prac.

I did my placement at one of two (only) closed wards in Sydney, so they were pretty bad. We all had to wear duress alarms, and the patients(clients) were often violent.
It's probably where I bumped into Monk without even realising for the first time come to think of it. :mrgreen:

He might have been the one wearing a fluorescent pink stack-hat. :lol:

I thought i'd like psych, well until I did the placement and realised even the staff are a bit wacky,(no really, they are ) hence they probably prefer to work there among nut cases themselves, makes them feel almost normal. :| Almost!


I preferred A&E or med/surgical wards myself.

Not a fan of ICU or even high dependency, can get a little dull babysitting monitors.
Shift goes for too long.

:Hi

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Post by mantra » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:46 am

mellie wrote: I did my placement at one of two (only) closed wards in Sydney, so they were pretty bad. We all had to wear duress alarms, and the patients(clients) were often violent.

It's probably where I bumped into Monk without even realising for the first time come to think of it. :mrgreen:

He might have been the one wearing a fluorescent pink stack-hat. :lol:

:Hi
That sounds like him Mel. I can't imagine that he was allowed to leave because he got better - so how did he manage to escape? They really need to beef up the security in these psych wards.

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Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:14 am

Mattus wrote:
AiA in Atlanta wrote:If homeopathy or chemotherapy or any other modality really worked it would work every time,
To be effective it only needs to work better than chance. Only one of those does that.
With my chronic bronchitis, homeopathy did more than a decade of medical science couldn't do.

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Post by Voice of Reason » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:28 pm

You probably just outgrew the bronchitis. One of the very few compensations for advancing years, you lose allergies and things you suffered from when young.

So since there was no double blind trial you can’t deduce anything from not suffering from bronchitis lately.

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Post by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:48 am

Voice of Reason wrote:You probably just outgrew the bronchitis. One of the very few compensations for advancing years, you lose allergies and things you suffered from when young.

So since there was no double blind trial you can’t deduce anything from not suffering from bronchitis lately.
I can deduce a lot: 1) A full decade of receiving treatment from mainstream medicine with no improvement. In fact, each year was worse than the one before with the promise (all the doctors told me) it would get worse as I aged. 2) Upon taking a homeopathic remedy the low-grade fever (an indication of a lung infection) I had been suffering from for a full two weeks became full-blown in 30 minutes and kept me in bed for 4 days. 3) A full 5 years has gone by without a single lung infection or bronchitis attack. In fact, colds and flu are a thing of the past.

It wasn't the medicine. It wasn't the Virgin Mary. It was homeopathy.

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Post by mellie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:19 pm

Chronic bronchitis may develop if a person has repeated bouts of illness that are not well cared for, or if other factors such as smoking, exposure to polluted air, and allergies have lowered the person’s resistance and made the lungs susceptible. Homeopathic remedies may help relieve discomfort caused by coughing and help the body overcome infection. Serious or prolonged bronchitis requires a physician’s attention.

http://truestarhealth.com/Notes/2202000.html <------(from the horses mouth)


In other words, even homoeopaths recommend you seek 'proper' medical advice for more serious ailments, why is this do you think?


It's a 'complimentary' therapy, not an 'alternative' treatment to proper medical care by their own admission, so should be treated as such.

Though, homoeopaths will happily take credit for your having overcome your illness even when their 'prescribed' therapy has complimented more orthodox 'real' medical care.

:lol:


Ie.... "It must have been the eye of newt that cured Alfred's blocked carotid artery, not the surgical bypass."

or...


"It must have been the witchazel tincture and Buddha's fingers (a fruit) poultice that cured Freds purulent ulcer, not the silver dressings and antibiotics the 'real' Dr prescribed which he also happened to be taking at the same time."

Basically Aia, what I am saying is you probably would have overcome it anyway, with or without the homoeopathy.

Homoeopathy is a comforting complimentary therapy, gives the patient a sense of autonomy, control (some call this a feeling of well-being) not an alternative to 'real' medical care.

But if you felt good taking it, this and enjoyed a feeling of well-being also, then by all means, keep taking it, it's your bod.


:roll

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Post by mantra » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:52 pm

Doctors don't always have a solution for an ongoing problem, which sometimes can be very easily remedied. If you've been continually going to a GP for help or a cure for a non-life threatening ailment and they haven't been able to help then try elsewhere. Sometimes a long term problem can be treated and cured fairly easily by someone else with the right answer.

Do not dismiss alternative remedies as a scam. The ineptness of doctors shocks me sometimes - maybe because they've forgotten things they've learnt or they haven't kept up to date with cures for modern diseases.

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Post by mellie » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:01 pm

mantra wrote:Doctors don't always have a solution for an ongoing problem, which sometimes can be very easily remedied. If you've been continually going to a GP for help or a cure for a non-life threatening ailment and they haven't been able to help then try elsewhere. Sometimes a long term problem can be treated and cured fairly easily by someone else with the right answer.

Do not dismiss alternative remedies as a scam. The ineptness of doctors shocks me sometimes - maybe because they've forgotten things they've learnt or they haven't kept up to date with cures for modern diseases.

True Mantra, but I have witnessed the outcome of some careless, irresponsible homoeopaths also, ie, "Dont listen to your doctor, take this remedy instead" so I think whilst it may be effective in treating some minor ailments, in a 'complimentary' fashion, a degree of caution and common sense needs to be exercised.

Responsible homoeopaths are the first to admit that more serious complaints should be treated by a physician.
I will just add, a friend of mine is a responsible homoeopath this and provided me with some fantastic relaxation techniques, (for child-birth) a number of years ago, even if her herbal remedy for pregnancy-related heartburn failed, it's not to say it didn't/wont work for others I guess.

Read this heart breaking letter written by a now deceased Australian cancer sufferer who intended on suing her homoeopath before she deceased.

http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2011/s3260776.htm


Clearly, this homoeopath just told her dying patient exactly what she wanted to hear, instilling a false sense of hope.
She should have told her the truth, not exploited her financially before she passed away feeling financially used and helpless.

So as you can see, not all homoeopaths are honest and responsible.

And naturally, this homoeopath cannot be sued for 'medical' negligence, given she can rightfully argue in her defence that the treatment she recommend/advised was not in fact "medical' in the strictest 'orthodox' sense, rather was a complimentary therapy the patient took upon her own advice, not that of the surviving homoeopaths, who's word is now against hers, when naturally, dead people cant defend themselves, nor have their day in court.


Patient loses, homoeopath $wins$ ---The end~!

:roll:

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Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:32 pm

AiA in Atlanta wrote:
Voice of Reason wrote:You probably just outgrew the bronchitis. One of the very few compensations for advancing years, you lose allergies and things you suffered from when young.

So since there was no double blind trial you can’t deduce anything from not suffering from bronchitis lately.
I can deduce a lot: 1) A full decade of receiving treatment from mainstream medicine with no improvement. In fact, each year was worse than the one before with the promise (all the doctors told me) it would get worse as I aged. 2) Upon taking a homeopathic remedy the low-grade fever (an indication of a lung infection) I had been suffering from for a full two weeks became full-blown in 30 minutes and kept me in bed for 4 days. 3) A full 5 years has gone by without a single lung infection or bronchitis attack. In fact, colds and flu are a thing of the past.

It wasn't the medicine. It wasn't the Virgin Mary. It was homeopathy.
It was not a controlled trial. You joining Mellie in psychotic delusions?

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Post by Neferti » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:44 pm

Jovial Monk wrote: It was not a controlled trial. You joining Mellie in psychotic delusions?
If people BELIEVE whatever, who are you to tell them they are wrong? It is their LIFE. :tease

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