That sinking feeling...

[AiA in Atlanta]

Thought the modern cruise liner couldn't tip over ... at least not easily.

I heard on the radio a ship builder who states the opposite.

The risk of tipping over is greater today.
They are building them bigger and higher, higher centre of gravity.
They are making then more shallow so they can go to more ports.
They have doubled in size in the last ten years.
There is a call to review ship designs in the future.

Hadn't thought of that - they are quite high but didn't know that they were more shallow. Thought height had to be counterbalanced by depth.

[Super Nova]

Hadn't thought of that - they are quite high but didn't know that they were more shallow. Thought height had to be counterbalanced by depth.

Apparently that is what they did, however the drive for more profit means packing more in and having access to more ports.

It is not until there is a disaster we learn and take action was his assertion. Only after the Titanic did we do this. Now the consideration for getting all these people into LifeBoats in the design is even been pushed to practical limits.

[IQS.RLOW]

Hadn't thought of that - they are quite high but didn't know that they were more shallow. Thought height had to be counterbalanced by depth.

Apparently that is what they did, however the drive for more profit means packing more in and having access to more ports.

It is not until there is a disaster we learn and take action was his assertion. Only after the Titanic did we do this. Now the consideration for getting all these people into LifeBoats in the design is even been pushed to practical limits.

That's like saying let's redesign the commodore to cope with fuckwits like Aussie

It's not the vessel. It's the driver

[freediver]

Apparently the captain was actually a cab driver and he used a fake boat licence to get the job.

[boxy]

Hadn't thought of that - they are quite high but didn't know that they were more shallow. Thought height had to be counterbalanced by depth.

Apparently that is what they did, however the drive for more profit means packing more in and having access to more ports.

It is not until there is a disaster we learn and take action was his assertion. Only after the Titanic did we do this. Now the consideration for getting all these people into LifeBoats in the design is even been pushed to practical limits.

I remember seeing a doco on the bigger and bigger ships, and the ingenious ways they stabilise them, even in the roughest of seas.

They're fine, as long as you don't run them up onto reefs or sandbars or shit

[Outlaw Yogi]

Captains don't desert sinking ships so he probably does deserve a lynching. He may have been drinking or taking drugs as he has admitted to steering the boat off course for a couple of trivial reasons, but won't accept the blame. Apparently the sandbank shouldn't have been there.

Upon hearing initial reports mentioning a 'sand bank', I said "that doesn't make sense, sand banks don't tear steel hulls open, he must have hit a reef". Then when I saw pictures, I said "told you it was a reef, look at the beacon beside the ship, it's on an island". And sure enough I was spot on.

There could be no other reason aside from intoxication for his hasty escape leaving passengers to drown. Once on shore he jumped in a taxi and fled.

I digress, I think the reason was cowardice. Pure and simple.

[boxy]

If you're talking about the "beacon" on the picture in the first post to this thread, I suspect it is one placed there to illuminate the rescue effort, rather than a fixed "lighthouse" type of buoy.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Before I convict and hang him as you want mantra, I'll wait to hear all the evidence.

This is all the evidence I need:

‘Go On Board!’ Transcript Shows Cruise Captain Resisted Returning to Ship

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/17/go- ... z4OffjDodI

—De Falco: “This is De Falco speaking from Livorno. Am I speaking with the commander?”

—Schettino: “Yes. Good evening, Cmdr. De Falco.”

—De Falco: “Please tell me your name.”

—Schettino: “I’m Cmdr. Schettino, commander.”

—De Falco: “Schettino? Listen Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now you go with your boat under the prow on the starboard side. There is a pilot ladder. You will climb that ladder and go on board. You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear? I’m recording this conversation, Cmdr. Schettino…”

—Schettino: “Commander, let me tell you one thing…”

—De Falco: “Speak up! Put your hand in front of the microphone and speak more loudly, is that clear?”

—Schettino: “In this moment, the boat is tipping…”

—De Falco: “I understand that, listen, there are people that are coming down the pilot ladder of the prow. You go up that pilot ladder, get on that ship and tell me how many people are still on board. And what they need. Is that clear? You need to tell me if there are children, women or people in need of assistance. And tell me the exact number of each of these categories. Is that clear? Listen Schettino, that you saved yourself from the sea, but I am going to… I’m going to make sure you get in trouble. …I am going to make you pay for this. Go on board, (expletive)!”

—Schettino: “Commander, please…”

—De Falco: “No, please. You now get up and go on board. They are telling me that on board there are still…”

—Schettino: “I am here with the rescue boats, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am here…”

—De Falco: “What are you doing, commander?”

—Schettino: “I am here to coordinate the rescue…”

—De Falco: “What are you coordinating there? Go on board! Coordinate the rescue from aboard the ship. Are you refusing?”

—Schettino: “No, I am not refusing.”

—De Falco: “Are you refusing to go aboard commander? Can you tell me the reason why you are not going?”

—Schettino: “I am not going because the other lifeboat is stopped.”

—De Falco: “You go aboard. It is an order. Don’t make any more excuses. You have declared ‘abandon ship.’ Now I am in charge. You go on board! Is that clear? Do you hear me? Go, and call me when you are aboard. My air rescue crew is there.”

—Schettino: “Where are your rescuers?”

—De Falco: “My air rescue is on the prow. Go. There are already bodies, Schettino.”

—Schettino: “How many bodies are there?”

—De Falco: “I don’t know. I have heard of one. You are the one who has to tell me how many there are. Christ.”

—Schettino: “But do you realize it is dark and here we can’t see anything…”

—De Falco: “And so what? You want go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what their needs are. Now!”

—Schettino: “…I am with my second in command.”

—De Falco: “So both of you go up then … You and your second go on board now. Is that clear?”

—Schettino: “Commander, I want to go on board, but it is simply that the other boat here … there are other rescuers. It has stopped and is waiting…”

—De Falco: “It has been an hour that you have been telling me the same thing. Now, go on board. Go on board! And then tell me immediately how many people there are there.”

—Schettino: “OK, commander”

—De Falco: “Go, immediately!”

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/17/go- ... g-to-ship/

[Outlaw Yogi]

How about you wait... over there ------>

How about we all wait.....over there......----------> before we become a lynch mob......again!

No!, just keel haul the phuker.

[IQS.RLOW]

Aussie is the leeches champion...because he is one himself