A bit wet

[boxy]

I wonder whether the scientists claiming this to be the La Nina affect are part of the anti-global warming gang ie those working for the multinationals.

Geezus fucking christ

Gobsmacked, ain't ya, IQ.

You've used all your hysterical, abusive, hyperbole up on the more rational left leaning posters, you've got nothing left when the real nutcase theories come out of the woodwork

[Ethnic]

I wonder whether the scientists claiming this to be the La Nina affect are part of the anti-global warming gang ie those working for the multinationals.

Dammit mantra you figured it all out.

I suppose you also think vaccines cause autism and that Elvis is still alive? Maybe Elvis caused La Nina.

[mantra]

you've got nothing left when the real nutcase theories come out of the woodwork

I prefer to call them alternative theories.

[Outlaw Yogi]

It is believed that the pattern of flooding, occurring not only in Australia, but Africa, Pakistan and Brazil is because the sea has been at its highest temperature ever recorded.

That's funny. Did you know that the La Nina effect is characterized by cooler than normal ocean temps?

You leftist warmists will twist anything to suit your fucking agenda

Re:

La Nina effect is characterized by cooler than normal ocean temps

In the Eastern Pacific that is, while on our side we get the warm water when La Nina's at play.
We did not name the weather systems involved, but we are affected all the same, usually we cop South Americas vice versa, and the intensities tend to be proportional in extremities of flood or drought.
http://www.bom.gov.au/marine/sst.shtml



A shift in weather zones has been documented. For example, the equatorial cyclone/hurricane free zone 5 degrees either side of the equator has broadened, and in turn the cyclone/hurricane zones have moved south or north depending on hemisphrere.
Greater intensities of weather extremities has LONG been predicted to be an expected result/outcome of global warming affected weather, its not a new conspiracy theory, the science of a greenhouse world is reasonably well understood, and not too hard for a logical mind to comprehend.

[IQS.RLOW]

rational left leaning posters

No such animal

[Jovial Monk]

Yes, the shift in weather patterns is undeniable, spring arrives 11 days earlier in Britain, migratory birds in the northern hemisphere settle more northerly every spring, etc. Here the north, like Qld is getting wetter while southern australia, esp in WA but also SA etc is getting drier.

This year a strong La Nina reinforced this in a major way. Without Wyvenho Dam Brisbane would have been much, much worse off. these things have been happening and there is no doubt about these trends and the reason for it: anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. the Greens having blocked the CPRS have fucked the renewable energy sector so now the only way we can reduce our emissions in a fairly short time is nuclear power, esp nuke power replacing brown coal power generation. so, Pt Augusta and Yallourn.

4th Gen nuclear is safe and produces little waste, good to see the ALP will likely change its no nuke power policy at this years federal conference.

I heard something today about the Nats demanding Wyvenhoe water be used for irrigation, but for that Wyvenhoe would have been empty and less floodwater would have gone down the Brisbane River.

I asked the BoM about this:

1973/1974 was a very strong La Nina so the current floods and those in 1974 have many similarities. While it remains too early to be certain the two floods look to be comparable - this time the massive Wivenhoe dam has played a major role in mitigating flood peaks so the lower peaks being record are more a result of engineering than "rainfall".

You are correct in observing that northern Australia has been getting wetter and southern Australia drying. The drying in the south is most evident in the southwest of Western Australia, but is also evident in parts of southern SA and Victoria. This pattern of rainfall change is generally consistent with global warming - as the planet warms the tropical regions tend to get wetter while the subtropical regions tend to get drier.

The cold in Europe etc has been a bit overblown in the media. The last winter (2009/10) was the warmest on record for the northern hemisphere and event the recent December 2010 was much warmer than average. What the media fail to report is that while Europe has been cold, other areas have been abnormally hot. Most recently we have been witnessing very "high" temperatures in Canada and the Arctic which have been more extensive and more exceptional than the cooler temperatures over Europe.

Regards,

David
Manager Climate Monitoring and Prediction

[Outlaw Yogi]

Well looky here ..
Tropical Cyclone Zelia
Issued at 4:59 pm EST Friday 14 January 2011. No Tropical Cyclone Advice is current for this system.


Fortunately nuke power isn't economically feasible, so we won't have to worry about JM's desire for plutonium factories.

[Jovial Monk]

Hmmm when we have an ETS or similar, nuke will be more economical, that is the point of it! I would like a decrease in emissions, nuke is now the only way to get that.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Hmmm when we have an ETS or similar, nuke will be more economical, that is the point of it! I would like a decrease in emissions, nuke is now the only way to get that.

Even with ETS, nuke still isn't economically viable.
Nuke fuel processing (enrichment) is very expensive and GHG emission intensive.
The result is massive increase in electricity prices for 5% less GHG emissions than if we switched to gas.
For the same money we can build heaps more solar thermal plants generating heaps more power, and have it up and running in a fraction of the time. Reactors are also dependent on other peak load power sources to start them up via an existing grid, they can't self start.
The nuke industry won't invest its own money in nuke power for a very practical reason, nuke power isn't practical. Its a subsidy scam. Nuke power doesn't exist anywhere on Earth without massive government subsidy patronage.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Most reactors today are Light Water Reactors, but JM is advocating Fast Breeder reactors. In ether case the fuels require enrichment, Fast Breeder fuel [MOX] is enriched with plutonium. Just to get an idea of how complicated or simple [depending on one's perception] here's the nuke industry's explanation ...
Processing of Used Nuclear Fuel
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf69.html