Do Women Who Have Killed, Claim Life Does Not Begin At

[Rainbow Moonlight]

I agree with "Frogen." If he was Frogen he would know that as I actually made the point that abortion is killing on PA . I think "Frogen" is expressing a point of view that is worthwhile, and that anyone denying that abortion is infact killing, is not factually correct.
The foetus or embryo is alive and human and terminating it is killing it.

To encourage someone to kill, for their convenience, is also wrong.

However many women and young girls who are encouraged to have abortions and to view abortion as a legitimate option. They are encouraged not to recognise the humanity of the embryo or foetus and encouraged to believe the foetus is simply a part of their body or a few cells that are inconvenient - encouraged they have the right to take this life.

Many women or girls who have had an abortion are deserving not of hatred or abuse, but of support and education and care. Anyone pregnant with a wanted or unwanted child is deserving of such. But women should not be encouraged to discard a human life as if it had no value.

There are also many and obvious shades of grey in the immorality of the situation. For instance, is it wrong to kill to save your own life? (Ie when carrying the baby to term may kill you) Is it wrong to kill if the child will be born with severe disabilities and have a poor quality of life? Is it wrong to kill is the child will be born into a situation of ongoing physical abuse that you cannot see a way out of? Is it wrong to kill when you think the world is overpopulated anyway? Is it wrong to kill when you will miss your chance of promotion if you go on maternity leave? Is it wrong to kill because a child does not fit with your current life plan at the moment? Is it wrong to kill because you are incapable of giving the child care or of giving the child up for adoption?

[mantra.]

However many women and young girls who are encouraged to have abortions and to view abortion as a legitimate option. They are encouraged not to recognise the humanity of the embryo or foetus and encouraged to believe the foetus is simply a part of their body or a few cells that are inconvenient - encouraged they have the right to take this life.

That's a load of rubbish. Talk to any young woman after she's had an abortion and you will see how distressed and distraught she is. Most don't get over it. BTW who supports you and your 6 children Rainbow? Your husband, or the fathers of all your kids or the government? I'm sorry if it sounds mean saying that to you, but for mothers who continually have children in this overpopulated world because the government makes it easy for them - can't just make a judgement on those women who are forced emotionally and financially to have an abortion. It is it better to raise a litter of children on government handouts, or raise a couple of children where you can give them a quality life and plenty of attention.

[JW Frogen]

See Mantra, you highlight the rhetorical flips and flops the pro choice movement will make to justify killing, to make killing as easy as possible.

Ele rightly states that many abortion advocates claim it is not a life to make it easy for the women to kill and you state in return she is wrong because most women never get over abortion. (Perhaps because it is indeed killing.)

But any person conversant with the wider debate will know many abortion advocates while stating it is a tough choice claim it is not tramatausing long term for the women. (Even old PA members like Kanki made this argument.)

There are many recorded cases of women using abortion casually, as birth control, not believing it is a life at all and not being traumatized at all.

So the advocates of abortion make contrary claims, it is not killing but it is traumatizing when we need it to be traumatizing for our argument to justify killing.

No one can ever judge any woman who killed by abortion, no matter how many times or how causually. (Well then no one can judge a war criminal.)

It is really all about you, not the life within you.

When you kill, you should also think about the life you are about to kill.

As to what is better not killing the life or killing the life to save government funds?

How about, if you do not have the life force and courage within you to raise a child, using contraception and not killing in the first place?

[Auzgurl]

Rainbow is the same little weird one who would, if she had her way,force 11 and 12 yr old girls..to bear the children as the result of being raped..I take anything she has to say on this subject with less notice than I do Frogen , and that is very little I can tell you.

When machi comes back he can start being a civilised human again, for he doesnt have to make an effort for anyone else..but he obviously believes the pple of this forum deserve very little respect judging by the way he insults and degrades some.

As for rainbow..she met her "husband" online and so has her daughter..it just gets better and better. [ ithink she is sucking up to Frogen now..mmm another "marriage" on the way ha ha...]

I find anti abortionists judgemental clap trap nothinmg more than one eyed zealotory..this zealousness causes most people to switch off very quickly..and rightly so.

Those who are the most judgemental and insist on taking the high moral ground often have the most to hide and are the worst kind of deviate.

Smell it, smell it..now take it. ( that was my foot to seat of ye' arses btw..)

[mantra.]

How about, if you do not have the life force and courage within you to raise a child, using contraception and not killing in the first place?

Tell that to the girl who's been raped by one or more men.

Those who are the most judgemental and insist on taking the high moral ground often have the most to hide and are the worst kind of deviate.

I absolutely agree. It is such a sensitive issue and to be discussed so indiscriminately and in such a judgemental manner by an ex militant and someone who doesn't believe in birth control seems hypocritical to say the least.

[Auzgurl]

How about, if you do not have the life force and courage within you to raise a child, using contraception and not killing in the first place?

Tell that to the girl who's been raped by one or more men.

Indeed mantra..and even if it was just one man..thats enough for me.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

However many women and young girls who are encouraged to have abortions and to view abortion as a legitimate option. They are encouraged not to recognise the humanity of the embryo or foetus and encouraged to believe the foetus is simply a part of their body or a few cells that are inconvenient - encouraged they have the right to take this life.

That's a load of rubbish. Talk to any young woman after she's had an abortion and you will see how distressed and distraught she is. Most don't get over it. BTW who supports you and your 6 children Rainbow? Your husband, or the fathers of all your kids or the government? I'm sorry if it sounds mean saying that to you, but for mothers who continually have children in this overpopulated world because the government makes it easy for them - can't just make a judgement on those women who are forced emotionally and financially to have an abortion. It is it better to raise a litter of children on government handouts, or raise a couple of children where you can give them a quality life and plenty of attention.

I have worked in schools where young girls get pregnant. I have worked in a special school for kids at risk, including pregnant young women. I have spoken to doctors working in women's health clinics. And yes, young women are advised in such ways. And it is wrong.

As to who supports my kids, that is really none of your business. There is no need to be nasty to me because I don't support abortion. But I suppose it is all one can expect of someone who does support it. Pro-choice people I can maintain respect for. Pro-abortion people like you are simply scum. Sorry if that offends you.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Rainbow is the same little weird one who would, if she had her way,force 11 and 12 yr old girls..to bear the children as the result of being raped..I take anything she has to say on this subject with less notice than I do Frogen , and that is very little I can tell you.

When machi comes back he can start being a civilised human again, for he doesnt have to make an effort for anyone else..but he obviously believes the pple of this forum deserve very little respect judging by the way he insults and degrades some.

As for rainbow..she met her "husband" online and so has her daughter..it just gets better and better. [ ithink she is sucking up to Frogen now..mmm another "marriage" on the way ha ha...]

I find anti abortionists judgemental clap trap nothinmg more than one eyed zealotory..this zealousness causes most people to switch off very quickly..and rightly so.

Those who are the most judgemental and insist on taking the high moral ground often have the most to hide and are the worst kind of deviate.

Smell it, smell it..now take it. ( that was my foot to seat of ye' arses btw..)

You poor vicious emotional bitch.

[Auzgurl]

However many women and young girls who are encouraged to have abortions and to view abortion as a legitimate option. They are encouraged not to recognise the humanity of the embryo or foetus and encouraged to believe the foetus is simply a part of their body or a few cells that are inconvenient - encouraged they have the right to take this life.

That's a load of rubbish. Talk to any young woman after she's had an abortion and you will see how distressed and distraught she is. Most don't get over it. BTW who supports you and your 6 children Rainbow? Your husband, or the fathers of all your kids or the government? I'm sorry if it sounds mean saying that to you, but for mothers who continually have children in this overpopulated world because the government makes it easy for them - can't just make a judgement on those women who are forced emotionally and financially to have an abortion. It is it better to raise a litter of children on government handouts, or raise a couple of children where you can give them a quality life and plenty of attention.

I have worked in schools where young girls get pregnant. I have worked in a special school for kids at risk, including pregnant young women. I have spoken to doctors working in women's health clinics. And yes, young women are advised in such ways. And it is wrong.

As to who supports my kids, that is really none of your business. There is no need to be nasty to me because I don't support abortion. But I suppose it is all one can expect of someone who does support it. Pro-choice people I can maintain respect for. Pro-abortion people like you are simply scum. Sorry if that offends you.

Now the real deviate comes out. ha ha

I think I need to add a boil dressing to draw out the toxic core..

[Auzgurl]

Rainbow is the same little weird one who would, if she had her way,force 11 and 12 yr old girls..to bear the children as the result of being raped..I take anything she has to say on this subject with less notice than I do Frogen , and that is very little I can tell you.

When machi comes back he can start being a civilised human again, for he doesnt have to make an effort for anyone else..but he obviously believes the pple of this forum deserve very little respect judging by the way he insults and degrades some.

As for rainbow..she met her "husband" online and so has her daughter..it just gets better and better. [ ithink she is sucking up to Frogen now..mmm another "marriage" on the way ha ha...]

I find anti abortionists judgemental clap trap nothinmg more than one eyed zealotory..this zealousness causes most people to switch off very quickly..and rightly so.

Those who are the most judgemental and insist on taking the high moral ground often have the most to hide and are the worst kind of deviate.

Smell it, smell it..now take it. ( that was my foot to seat of ye' arses btw..)

You poor vicious emotional bitch.

I think you should take a look in the mirror..

"the screaming of the womb? "......And I'm emotional? Idiots .