Should the battlers form of racing be banned

[Redneck]

I personally think Baird has gone a bit overboard, I realise live baiting and mistreatment of greyhounds has been been rife for years, however there are a lot of good people in the industry as well and to completely shut it down without at least attempting to clean it up is a step too far!


Greyhound reps close ranks to fight ban

Greyhound club representatives across NSW are meeting in Sydney as they prepare to wage war against the Baird government's shutdown of the sport.
Source: AAP
12 Jul 2016 - 9:16 AM UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

The greyhound industry will rally members across the state at a western Sydney meeting as it digs in to fight the Baird government's decision to outlaw the sport.

The Greyhound Breeders, Owners and Trainers Association (GBOTA) will host the meeting in Yagoona with representatives from every club and track across NSW including Casino, Grafton, Dubbo, Nowra, Richmond and Dapto.

"We've got the full support of the TAB clubs in negotiating a united front on this. The TAB clubs and GPOTA now stand as one and we're fighting the same fight," GPOTA spokesman and Dubbo Greyhound Club president Shayne Stiff told AAP on Tuesday.

He said members would be updated on the state of the campaign, which involves a potential court battle.

The peak greyhound body has engaged former federal solicitor-general David Bennett QC to spearhead a case on constitutional and administrative law matters and says it has millions of dollars in the war chest.

"We have a lot resources, and we're fighting for our livelihoods and the livelihoods of thousands of owners, trainers, breeders, bookmakers, even the punters," Mr Stiff said.

"I don't think the government realised how big this industry is and how much pull and weight we've got."

Greyhound racing supporters have taken heart from the political divisions that have emerged within the NSW government and says it will continue to lobby the dozen NSW Nationals MPs to cross the floor against the bill when it's introduced in parliament.

The industry wants a backdown on the ban and claims there have already been dramatic improvements in the sport's treatment of animals.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016 ... -fight-ban

[Black Orchid]

He wants the land no matter how much he claims it will remain public space.

[Redneck]

He wants the land no matter how much he claims it will remain public space.

Wentworth Park you mean?

Yeah he wants to use it as a temporary school site I think while some other school is rebuilt or something!

[Outlaw Yogi]

I'm not sure who Baird thinks he's impressing but your typical animal rights veg nazi doesn't vote Liberal, ever!

So there's the question of why Baird would guarantee that literally thousands of people in NSW will never vote Liberal again?

One thing is for sure, and that is Baird's bitten off way more than he can chew.

Y'see If Dictator Baird can arbitrarily and unilaterally ban dog racing, then horse racing is on borrowed time, and everyone in the gambling/wagering industry knows it.

Baird must imagine he NSW can get by without the revenue from dog racing, maybe it can. But if I was a stakeholder in the gambling industry I'd be organising a nation wide boycott of all bets in NSW on all sports Australia wide. It'd be a form of siege mentality with the intention of starving them out (financially).

Big picture-wise I see this drama as just another symptom of urban unreality, where people have forgotten where we came from and have a post-card concept perception of nature.

While I don't condone setting a dog onto a captive (bait) animal, I don't have a problem with people using Greyhounds to hunt rabbits, which is what they were bred for. But then I use dogs to catch feral pigs, so am the devil incarnate.

[mantra]

Banning it completely is drastic, but if they want to continue - the industry needs to be seriously cleaned up and strictly regulated. Someone has to have the guts to stand up to these people who are so immune to animal cruelty. I would like it to be banned in every state, the same as horse racing, hurdle and jump racing. I would like the live animal export industry and hunting for sport banned too, but it will never happen.

[Outlaw Yogi]

As it turns out, like everything emanating from the vegetarian movement, McHugh's report which Baird used as grounds for banning dog racing, is fraudulent. As its not based on recent facts from NSW, but 15 year old anecdotes from Canada.

Research irrelevant: 'drown pups' author
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 2924b8307a

A Canadian researcher who quoted a dog breeder saying he drowned puppies, which was cited as a piece of evidence in the report used to justify a ban on NSW greyhound racing, says his study was 15 years old and came at a time when old-fashioned practices were being phased out.

Sociology professor Michael Atkinson has questioned why ­excerpts from his 2005 study ­Reservoir Dogs: Greyhound Racing, Mimesis and Sports-Related Violence had been reproduced in a swag of influential research into NSW’s greyhound industry.

Michael McHugh’s report on the subject and a NSW government-commissioned best prac­tices study last year give prom­inence to Dr Atkinson and co-author Kevin Young’s work on the US and Canadian greyhound industries.

Quotes from breeder “Ernie” including “Culling happens, it ­really does” and “Most of the time, I’d drown the pups” have been ­reproduced on the first page of Mr McHugh’s report, and have been put forward as some of the most damning evidence of mistreatment throughout the industry.

Yet the researcher argues that his findings are outdated and irrelevant to an Australian context.

“(I’m) not sure how the narratives from this man apply in Australia as I don’t know, firsthand, if anything like that goes on in Australia whatsoever,” he told The Weekend Australian from Canada, where he is a professor at the University of Toronto.

“I quite literally know nothing about racing in Australia ... We were researching at a time when the lid was coming off on a lot of old, traditional practices and I do imagine the world has changed a lot since then.”

The revelations add weight to growing doubts over the veracity of the report compiled by Mr McHugh, particularly concerning “wastage” or the number of dogs that are destroyed each year that aren’t deemed fast enough for racing, and the number of injuries that occur on the track.

They also back up claims from within the racing industry that it had made significant progress on a reform agenda not adequately conveyed in the report.

Mr Atkinson’s work was linked in the McHugh report to a finding that 40 per cent of greyhound pups born never made it to the racetrack, and followed on from findings that up to 68,000 were killed each year when deemed unfit or too slow to race. Greyhound industry groups are yet to respond with their calcul­ations, but say numbers for wastage and injuries are overstated.

“I wouldn’t say the data is cherry­picked, but it looks like they’ve just thrown everything in that they could find and maybe it’s not always the truth,” greyhound industry veteran and adviser to the report Ron Arnold said.

Excerpts from the Reservoir Dogs study came into the McHugh report via a report conducted by the Working Dogs ­Alliance last year, which quoted the study without acknowledging it was at least 10 years old, and based on an offshore industry.

A Working Dogs Alliance spokeswoman dismissed the suggestion the group had been deceptive with the data it presented.

[Outlaw Yogi]

I would like it to be banned in every state, the same as horse racing, hurdle and jump racing. I would like the live animal export industry and hunting for sport banned too, but it will never happen.

I would like vegetarianism banned on the grounds vegetarian parents are child abusers who make their kids victims by deliberately causing physical and mental problems via malnutrition, and one day it will happen.

A couple of years ago during a conversation with an Italian backpacker in a citrus orchard, I said "Once upon a time so long as you kept vegetarians out of your kitchen and away from your children you were safe (from them sneaking soy toxins into your food or drink) but not anymore, because now they've made their agenda political"

The backpacker queried "Vegetarianism political?".
I replied "Yeah, they've mostly failed to convince the public of their absurd claims regarding health matters, so now use animal welfare to push their compulsory vegetarianism agenda. They will use any underhanded means possible to prevent meat consumption and are a deliberate threat to the food chain".

When a normal person questions a vegetarian or vegan about their compulsory vegetarianism agenda, the veg nazi denies it completely.
But one only need attend a Vegetarian Society function to learn of their true desires. Which is to make meat consumption illegal like in parts of Southern India, where eating meat incurs a gaol/jail sentence.

You can also learn about their bizarre beliefs as well. Like the Vegetarian Society members in Bundaberg who claim we (Australia or the world) will soon face mass catastrophe but vegetarians in Bundy will be OK because there's an alien mother-ship (invisible of course) just off the coast of Bundy who will save them.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Siddhartha Guatama (The Buddha) said "Everything that lives suffers".

Someone has to have the guts to stand up to these people who are so immune to animal cruelty.

Indeed. Especially those called Wildlife Carers. Who acquire injured animals, prolong their suffering by healing the injury and then releasing them to be eaten by cats and foxes.

Q: So why do Wildlife carers in orgs like WIRES make injured animals suffer when their own study found 98% of rehabilitated wildlife are dead within 2 days of release?
A: Self gratification and to prey on well meaning people's emotions via their pretend charity.

The 2% that survive 2 days are most likely dead within a week, thus effectively a wastage rage of 100%.
That's quite a waste of resources and a carbon foot-print for no tangible gain.

[IQS.RLOW]

Replace animal racing with pasty vegan/vegetarian racing or have them in arena style slap fights to the death.

Replace animal live exports with vegan/vegetarian live exports.
Animals are saved and we get rid of the whining fucks- the only issue would be that no one else wants the useless turds. I figure the best bet would be to ship them to ISIS for live target/beheading practice.

[AiA in Atlanta]

Vegans are scum. There has never been a vegan civilization but they conveniently forget that. There have been successful vegetarian civilizations however.

I'd like to punch this one from Queensland in the throat: