New Russian Weapon

[Black Orchid]

A non-lethal weapon that induces hallucinations and vomiting among enemy combatants has been fitted to two Russian warships.

The 5P-42 Filin – a futuristic dazzler-type device – can cause troops to miss their targets by blinding them, inducing delirious conditions and making them want to be sick.

Two advanced Russian Navy frigates – the Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov – have been fitted with the Filin – meaning Eagle Owl - the RIA Novosti media agency reported.

The device can fire a strobe-like beam that disrupts an opponent’s eyesight, hindering their ability to aim a weapon at night.

It is also capable of “effectively suppressing” night vision technology, laser distance sensors and range-finding systems for anti-tank missiles from as far as five kilometres, according to the manufacturer Ruselectornics.

The weapon’s development included testing on volunteers who shot assault rifles, sniper rifles and machine guns at targets that were protected by the Filin.

They all experienced trouble aiming because they were unable to see the target.

Exposure to the weapon also affected the volunteers’ physical condition.

Forty five per cent of them reported feeling dizzy, sick and disorientated. And 20 per cent of the volunteers are said to have experienced “a ball of light moving in front of the eyes”.

The Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Kasatonov – part of Russia’s Northern Fleet that patrols the Arctic Ocean – both have two Filin devices fitted.

A further two warships – currently being built – are also expected to carry the weapon.

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/04/15/ ... ucinations

[Bobby]

You can't trust those evil Russians.

[Black Orchid]

You'd be a fool to trust a Russian

Not sure about this weapon though. If they hinder their opponent's aim and make them sick and blind they could end up hitting anything.

[Valkie]

You'd be a fool to trust a Russian

Not sure about this weapon though. If they hinder their opponent's aim and make them sick and blind they could end up hitting anything.

You mean like bwyannnnn shooting at a target?

[The Mechanic]

wasn't it in china where folks got sick for no reason in one of the embassies??

[brian ross]

wasn't it in china where folks got sick for no reason in one of the embassies??

No, it was Havana. We have only the US's claims about it occurring, though, and knowing their inability to be truthful about Cuba, one has to wonder. It was not a stroboscopic "weapon" either, it appears to have been an ultrasonic one, if it existed at all.

[Outlaw Yogi]

wasn't it in china where folks got sick for no reason in one of the embassies??

No, it was Havana. We have only the US's claims about it occurring, though, and knowing their inability to be truthful about Cuba, one has to wonder. It was not a stroboscopic "weapon" either, it appears to have been an ultrasonic one, if it existed at all.

Infrasonic actually. Infrasound is below audible hearing as opposed to ultrasound which is above audible hearing.
Strobes aren't new, the yanks tested them in Korea and Vietnam. If this Ruski version is as effective as claimed, it'll just hasten the adoption of mech warriors ect (robots).
During the American invasions of Iraq, the Iraqis has Ruski tanks which have 1st Gen (solids are black silhouettes and background is green) night vision which amplify moon and star light about 25,000 times. So the Yanks shone lasers into the targeting sights and blinded the turret operators. ... I've had Ruski night vision, it's not the best.

I knew the Germans in WW1 and Nazi in WW2 tried to perfect infrasound weapons but it's omnidirectional so whoever turns it on is hit by it too.
I figured that's easily solved, just turn it on remotely with short wave radio.
I never imagined Infrasound could be made directional ... but it has been.

Read (available at libraries) Future War: Non lethal weapons of the 21st century, by Col John B Alexander US Army retired.

[brian ross]

I assume you mean they "bloomed" the Night Vision devices effectively rendering them useless?

Only problem is, lasers are direct line of sight. In order for the US Army to shine a laser into a night vision device, they would need to be directly in line, with it's line of sight. The US Army would not necessarily be able to achieve that with all devices.

As most of the Allied Coalition advanced in daylight during Operation Enduring Freedom, I rather think your claims didn't occur. I have never read/heard of such a tactic being adopted. It might have but I really cannot see the point. As Iraqi tanks were rarely encountered in 2003, in any large numbers, it would have been a rare event anyway.

[Outlaw Yogi]

I assume you mean they "bloomed" the Night Vision devices effectively rendering them useless?

No I mean they literally blinded the turret operators. Standard lasers (eg laser sight) can burn retinas anyway, magnified 25,000 times it's no wonder these turret operators still have cataracts in the eyes.

Only problem is, lasers are direct line of sight. In order for the US Army to shine a laser into a night vision device, they would need to be directly in line, with it's line of sight. The US Army would not necessarily be able to achieve that with all devices.

Rubbish! Night vision magnifies ambient star and moonlight which is never directly in line. The US Army or any mug punter can shine a laser at the night vision viewer lense from any angle and it will be magnified.

As most of the Allied Coalition advanced in daylight during Operation Enduring Freedom, I rather think your claims didn't occur. I have never read/heard of such a tactic being adopted. It might have but I really cannot see the point. As Iraqi tanks were rarely encountered in 2003, in any large numbers, it would have been a rare event anyway.

Before advancing tanks with dozer blades attached in the daylight - burying 40,000 Iraqis alive in the trenches - the Yanks knocked out all the heavy hardware - tanks and artillery - in night darkness.

I tend to think you wouldn't know shit from clay if you tried to make coffee mugs out of it.
You reckon you were in the army ... what did you do? .. polish bed knobs?
Let me guess, you quit the army 'coz you didn't qualify for a free sex change?

[brian ross]

You are mixing up 1991 with the 2003 invasion, Yogi.

Please at least get your facts straight. No, "40,000 Iraqis" were bulldozed in either 1991 nor 2003. That was media hype, rather than reality.

Oh, and before we go any further, any deliberate weapon intended to blind or used to blind troops inadvertently is outlawed by the Laws of War (ie commonly called the "Geneva Convention"). As the US has been a key complainant whenever the Russians or Chinese have suggested that they should field such weapons, I somehow doubt they would destroy their complaint by employing such weapons.

Finally, a laser is a straight, line of sight, illuminating device. It is it's key advantage, it is not "scattered" by the air/dust/etc. Before they could be shone directly into a night vision device, they would need to be in it's direct line of sight. While the night vision device can magnify ambient light, there is not much ambient light which comes from a laser beam.