Trump supporters storm the white house

[Neferti]

You're not Greggy are you?

Can’t address the points Bobby?

It’s no wonder this board has lost so many posters.
A new poster puts in an effort and gets a 5 word response.

Perhaps you can express your thoughts on the topic?

Sure. I think this is largely Trump supporters behaving badly. I’m yet to see convincing evidence otherwise.

I agree with Nicole.

[Bobby]

You're not Greggy are you?

No. I'm guessing Greggy must really piss you off for you to ask this question twice so I can only aspire to his greatness. If you want to try an argue any of my points too, please do feel free.

Sorry I asked - you just sounded like the neurotic poster called Greggy.

Perhaps YOU can express your thoughts on the topic?

OK.
To - neverforget7/11

Sorry, it was a 'verbal mistake' not a 'gaffe'. But there's something more interesting you say here, that "Trump is scorching the earth on his way out and, to be honest, {you} don't blame him." The amount wrong with this is astounding.

I don't agree that Trump is scorching the earth on his way out.

[*]Firstly, you seem to think Trump made these comments recently. he did not. He made these comments during his original campaign to get elected, so that justification you give doesn't work at all

It's you that is being neurotic -
carrying on about a verbal mistake from years ago
and even making your name up from it.

[*]Secondly, even when you believed that the comments were made recently, do you honestly believe that that excuses the disrespect conveyed to the victims? Do you really see the victims of a national tragedy as a fair target to be scorched on the way out? I note especially that nowhere do you address the other horrid claims Trump made about 9/11. Why did you avoid addressing these claims?

What disrespect to the victims?
You write as though it's a slam dunk argument.

[*]Thirdly, is Trump's mistake not worse in its new context I have given you? Can you maybe escape the confines of the absolutely bonkers perspective being on team Trump has put you in for one second and maybe objectively analyse how horrible it is? That it probably constitutes more than a mistake, but a Fruedian slip when combined with the other evidence I provided. Trump doesn't give a shit about the victims of 9/11. The first comments he had to make on the matter after it happened was to advertise the 'fact' that he owned the tallest building. Years later, he can't even get the date right.

No - your new context is something you made up -
you just sound neurotic.

[Nicole]

You're not Greggy are you?

Can’t address the points Bobby?

It’s no wonder this board has lost so many posters.
A new poster puts in an effort and gets a 5 word response.

Perhaps you can express your thoughts on the topic?

Sure. I think this is largely Trump supporters behaving badly. I’m yet to see convincing evidence otherwise.

I agree with Nicole.

And I’m a Trump fan, Nef. But I’m no rubber stamp for anyone’s agenda.

[Black Orchid]

I think everyone already knows Trump fans behaved badly and don't believe anyone has denied that fact.

[Neferti]

Can’t address the points Bobby?

It’s no wonder this board has lost so many posters.
A new poster puts in an effort and gets a 5 word response.

Perhaps you can express your thoughts on the topic?

Sure. I think this is largely Trump supporters behaving badly. I’m yet to see convincing evidence otherwise.

I agree with Nicole.

And I’m a Trump fan, Nef. But I’m no rubber stamp for anyone’s agenda.

I was too but he has lost the plot, I think. Ah well.

[Bobby]

Trump?
What are they going to say about him?
What? Are they going to say he was a kind man?
He was a wise man? He had plans?
He had wisdom? Bullshit, man!
Am I going to be the one to set him straight?
Look at me - wrong.
YOU.

[sprintcyclist]

You're not Greggy are you?

Can’t address the points Bobby?

It’s no wonder this board has lost so many posters.
A new poster puts in an effort and gets a 5 word response.

Perhaps you can express your thoughts on the topic?

Sure. I think this is largely Trump supporters behaving badly. I’m yet to see convincing evidence otherwise.

Pretty much so, yes

[Nicole]

Onya Sprint

[Black Orchid]

1. 1. Firstly, I have not seen anyone say it was a "verbal gaffe" so I'm not running down that rabbit hole. I don't read every post so I could well have missed it but perhaps you can address that comment directly to whomever you think said it. It wasn't a "verbal gaffe"

Sorry - I don't memorise every verbal mistake a person makes.
You're not Greggy are you?

Sorry, it was a 'verbal mistake' not a 'gaffe'. But there's something more interesting you say here, that "Trump is scorching the earth on his way out and, to be honest, {you} don't blame him." The amount wrong with this is astounding.

[*]Firstly, you seem to think Trump made these comments recently. he did not. He made these comments during his original campaign to get elected, so that justification you give doesn't work at all

[*]Secondly, even when you believed that the comments were made recently, do you honestly believe that that excuses the disrespect conveyed to the victims? Do you really see the victims of a national tragedy as a fair target to be scorched on the way out? I note especially that nowhere do you address the other horrid claims Trump made about 9/11. Why did you avoid addressing these claims?

[*]Thirdly, is Trump's mistake not worse in its new context I have given you? Can you maybe escape the confines of the absolutely bonkers perspective being on team Trump has put you in for one second and maybe objectively analyse how horrible it is? That it probably constitutes more than a mistake, but a Fruedian slip when combined with the other evidence I provided. Trump doesn't give a shit about the victims of 9/11. The first comments he had to make on the matter after it happened was to advertise the 'fact' that he owned the tallest building. Years later, he can't even get the date right.

2. No-one has said it was all Antifa but Antifa certainly infiltrated the group. It's not hard to incite a large crowd no matter how peaceful their intent may be. Many Antifa are being identified now. John Sullivan is one such infiltrator who was inside the Capitol building. He's the founder of Insurgence USA, a BLM activist and he has a history of organising violent leftist protests. He was standing right next to the woman who was shot. Photos abound.

Do you maybe want to give a source for those claims? Just one? Surely basic knowledge of how 'debate' functions beyond ad hominem is a necessary prerequisite for your position as 'exalted leader' of a debate board. I will address this point properly when you can provide me a reason to take it seriously.

People do care what is right or wrong but what I find astoundingly hypocritical is the way your side turns a blind eye to the past 4 years of calls to violence by many Democratic officials. That's apparently ok but when there is push-back (which was always going to be inevitable) you hide behind your blinkers with your faux outrage.

I haven't been on this board long enough to condemn that violence on here, so I don't know what psycic powers you used to determine my position on it, but I'll play along. Theres a big difference between calls for violence, which again you do nothing to source here, and actual violence, of which there has been plenty of from the right. Lets be clear here: in this portion, you are not discussing BLM violence, a sepparate issue I will address soon.

The Governor of Michigan faced an attempted kidnapping, right wing rioter's stormed the capital, and you have the GALL to talk about NON-EXISTANT violence against right-wing officals and politicians? Or at least, none you can actually name in your argument.

Finally, if you really want to call storming the capital "puskback", be my guest but it seems like you're intentionally downplaying the issue here.

Seattle, Michigan, Portland are still the epicentres of extreme violence, burning and looting by the left nightly a year on and it is being ignored by the MSM. They control the narrative and you swallow it like a subservient little dolt.

Nice Ad Hominem, first of all. Since you're so bad at your job you probably don't know what that means, but it's the lowest form of argument and we generally try to avoid it in serious discussions. I personally am peppering some in for you because clearly this isn't a serious discussion and I'd have a better debate at my local kindergarten.

More importantly now, lets talk about context and motivation. BLM protestors, rioters, terrorists, or whatever you personally want to label them as were motivated by demonstrated and consistent racially motivated police brutality. It's important to remember that the very first 'police forces' in the USA went under a different name 'runaway slave patrols'. Of course, I won't provide a source for this wild claim, but you seem to be fine with that so lets move on. In fact, I won't provide a source for the rest of the claims I make either, AND I'm gonna go back a remove the ones I added earlier in this piece, just to prove a point.

Despite smoking marujuana in equal rates, African American citizens are arrested for it at a significantly higher rate than their caucasian counterparts.

Donald Trump once had an advert in the New York Times calling for capital punishment for 7 black children accused of rape, all of whom were later found innocent.

Wildly inconsistent with comparable nations, the USA trains it's police in approxiamately 6 months. For reference, Australia spends 2 years developing our constables to standard. The USA's police training is ill equipped to remove those who are innappropriate for the role, such as Derek Chauvin who before murdering George Floyd, had at least half a dozen compalints of brutality made against him.

There is very little accountability for police due to the incredible strength of police unions across the nation that strike whenever one of their members is tried.

After executing a no-knock warrant at the wrong address, Police murdered a sleeping black woman after they spotted her boyfriend with a gun, who had thought his house was being attacked by criminals because the no-knock warrant meant police did not announce themselves.

These incidents form the proof and motivation behind BLM protests. Left wing individuals see these incidents as being fair motivations for violence.

Right wing indivduals presently believe that an election has been stolen from them as their present motivation. Curiously, they could not provide enough proof for any court that heard their case, but I'm sure thats because this conspiracy stretches farther than any of us imagined, blah blah blah.

Even more interestingly is that this is not the only motivation right wing individuals have had for violence. Others include gay people existing, which was used in the Florida Night club shooting as well as many others; People who disagree with them existing, such being the case with Heather Heyer being run over by a car; Black people existing, as was used in the good old days or my personal favourite; Jewish people existing, which was used around the time when we knew that Nazi's should be stopped at any cost.

My question is: Which motivations seem more legitimate to you?

I strongly condemn violence from all sides but you and your ilk have been silent this past year while cities were destroyed and livelihoods lost. You are hypocritical to the enth. Where were you with your faux outrage these past 4 years when Democrats like Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, Ted Lieu, James Clapper, Cory Booker, Eric Holder, Joachin Castro etc have been calling for and endorsing violence against Trump supporters? In your dark little cave in mummy's basement?

If you want to try to take the high road at least try to be consistent.

You condemn violence on both sides? nice to say it but I've yet to see you honestly do it. In fact, what you've said tehre is a bold faced lie when you've openly defended right wing vioence at the capital. Furthermore, you mix up two different isses here. The violence against republican officials supposedly (but not at all proven to be) encouraged by Democratic officials, and BLM violence motivated by entirely different circumstances. Don't conflate these issues.

I also think its cute you talk about me living in a basement considering I'm assuming your family hasn't visited you at the nursing home for a long time now.

I'm straight forward and say what I think so please don't misrepresent what I say. I didn't hear what Trump said about 9/11 so I am not going to comment. Trump has his bad side and many foibles and I doubt anyone has denied otherwise and he's certainly lost the plot recently. He has also done a great deal of good for the American people whilst thumbing the establishment and that is what I have addressed in his favour in the past. Less tax, much better conditions for veterans, bringing the troops home and brokering several ME peace deals just for starters. The list goes on and on and there is a thread here by Sprint, I think, with it all listed.

I'm the only one here who has responded to you at length so accusing me of ad hom is disingenuous and, yes, I do know what it means and I'm also not ready for the old folks home just yet thank you very much. I might be bad at my job, as you say, but I did take the time to respond to you with more than just a short sentence or two.

There are lots of threads here covering all the points you have made. Scroll through them and see if there is anything you wish to address there. Sources are all provided in the relevant threads. Politics moves quickly as do the threads. I honestly don't have the time to go through all those threads to re-source.

I'm not a mind reader so I don't know what motivates people to violence but I will say that there is NO justification for violence from either side.

Perhaps one of the Americans here can address your points more to your satisfaction. Being new I'd do my best to be at least a little bit polite to them though.

In fact, what you've said tehre is a bold faced lie when you've openly defended right wing vioence at the capital

Now that's what's called a bald faced lie.

[Nom De Plume]

You're not Greggy are you?

No. I'm guessing Greggy must really piss you off for you to ask this question twice so I can only aspire to his greatness. If you want to try an argue any of my points too, please do feel free.

Welcome... it is nice to see an alternative view. I HOPE YOU STAY!